Bass !!!!!!!!!!

neomagus00

Originally posted by exalted512
and all this time i thought white noise was the dead people talking to us in digital recordings...
-Cody

yeah, i tried that when i was like 12... i listened to nearly four frickin hours of white noise before i gave up... drove me nuts

and i think jstas's comment on the labelling of the frequency bands has - unusually - missed the mark, and that we've been clear on what we mean... splitting hairs, maybe, but clear...

AustinKP

So if I understand correctly, you're saying something like this:
Tweeters play at the top of the audible frequency spectrum. They extend down to, say, 3.5kHz. At which point, the mids take over, and extend down to 80 hz. There, the sub takes over, and plays down to 10 hz. In this way, the sub is an extension of the mid, because it plays what the woofer would, if it wasn't high-passed. I think you're in agreement with Jstas, it's just a confusion over terminology.

TrappedUnder Ice

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There...that should clear things up...right?

neomagus00

Originally posted by TrappedUnder Ice
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There...that should clear things up...right?

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austin - yep, confusion would about explain it

MacLeod

Originally posted by AustinKP
So if I understand correctly, you're saying something like this:
Tweeters play at the top of the audible frequency spectrum. They extend down to, say, 3.5kHz. At which point, the mids take over, and extend down to 80 hz. There, the sub takes over, and plays down to 10 hz. In this way, the sub is an extension of the mid, because it plays what the woofer would, if it wasn't high-passed. I think you're in agreement with Jstas, it's just a confusion over terminology.

Right. I said that a while ago. We're all in agreement but we're quibbling over terms.

However Thomas does make a good point; you dont need a cap.

exalted512

i need a new truck...or about $50k should suffice...
-Cody

neomagus00

suffice, maybe, but why stop there?

MacLeod

I want one of the new Dodge Ram SRT/10 Quad Cabs!!

Yeah baby! 9 mpg, 500 horsepower and 4 doors!

exalted512

but...why a dodge??
-Cody

MacLeod

Originally posted by exalted512
but...why a dodge??
-Cody

500 horsepower 8.3 liter V10!!!

Nuff said!

neomagus00

shiny, but hideous...

Much better:


You want domestic ?:


and the allah of affordable amazingness:

MacLeod

Yeah I guess these Rams can be intimidating to some.

Keep your wimpy 1500 lb car that will get blown over with the first strong wind and Ill keep my 6000 pound monster and run you over when youre in my way!

AustinKP

Originally posted by MacLeod
Yeah I guess these Rams can be intimidating to some.

Keep your wimpy 1500 lb car that will get blown over with the first strong wind and Ill keep my 6000 pound monster and run you over when youre in my way[...]

...and then I'll run out of gas 2 miles down the road...even though I had a full tank 3 miles ago...and I've been coasting downhill since then...but at least my truck has a spoiler......

MacLeod

Originally posted by AustinKP
...and then I'll run out of gas 2 miles down the road...even though I had a full tank 3 miles ago...and I've been coasting downhill since then...but at least my truck has a spoiler......

WAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Yup. Thats the only thing a Ram SRT CANT pass.....a gas station!!

LOLOL!! Thats too funny dude!!

neomagus00

okay, that was funny .

of course, the exige is something you wouldn't pass, either... granted, i'd be practically invisible to you, and you'd probably run me over without noticing, but other than that...

MacLeod

Originally posted by AustinKP
but at least my truck has a spoiler......

One other thing Mr SmartyBritches, yeah Ive got a spoiler and at least mine is functional!!! Not one of those huge **** wings on the back of a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE ricer!

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod
One other thing Mr SmartyBritches, yeah Ive got a spoiler and at least mine is functional!!! Not one of those huge **** wings on the back of a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE ricer!

functional? at what speed?
-Cody

neomagus00

actually, in all seriousness, spoilers aren't necessarily evil, even in front wheel drives... at speed, they can help keep the back end down, which is good, cause weight distribution is about 65/35 on the front, so oversteer can be a big problem.

but yeah, we're talking 80+ mph for any level of functionality...

MacLeod

Well I guess at any speed. They let the wind push the back end of the truck down for more traction as trucks are ridiculously light in the back end and 500 lb/ft of torque tends to spin the tires.

neomagus00

it only makes a respectable amount of downforce at highway speeds... going around a 20 mph corner, a spoiler ain't gonna do squat, even if it's like the huge jacked-up ones on nascars

MacLeod

Well one things for sure. When youve got a 500 hp/500 lbs/ft 8.3 liter Viper engine in a pickup truck, you need all the downforce you can get.

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod
Well I guess at any speed. They let the wind push the back end of the truck down for more traction as trucks are ridiculously light in the back end and 500 lb/ft of torque tends to spin the tires.

id venture to say at a strip, a cement bag in the back would help more than the spoiler
-Cody

MacLeod

Yes but then youre adding weight which is bad.

exalted512

like i said, i think a cement bag in the back would do more good than a spoiler, even with the added weight

99% of spoilers are just for looks, the rest are just for looks until you get up to 150 mph
-Cody

neomagus00

i think 150 is a slight exaggeration... consider that an F1 car, at 180 mph, makes enough downforce to pull manhole covers out of the road... it would actually enable the car to drive upside down, there's that much force...

Jstas

Okay, okay, okay. Stop, everyone.

First off, too much weight on the front wheels like a FWD car has will induce UNDERsteer, not oversteer. Very few FWD cars out there will oversteer and even then, its usually only modified vehicles or something like a Dodge Neon ACR. A spoiler on the rear of a FWD car will not stop oversteer or understeer for that matter. They do not ever stop oversteer or understeer. A spoiler on a car that travels at sane highway speeds will do nothing more than provide straight line stability and break up the air flow coming off teh back of teh vehicle. What this does is that it makes the pocket of low pressure air behind the vehicle bigger. By doing this, it disturbs the flow of the high pressure air coming off teh top and bottom of the car which then causes lift. That big **** pocket of air is what prevents lift from happening. It also causes a greater amount of drag. That is why on a street vehicle you have spoilers and on a race car you have a wing.

Wings cause downforce, not spoilers. Spoilers cause very minimal downforce and even at speeds where a spoiler will cause downforce it is negligible compared to the strength of the forces acting on the vehicle that downforce would assist in counter acting. Any spoiler for a street car is there for looks in most cases unless it is something slippery like an Audi TT or a Porsche 911 which need spoilers to prevent high pressure air from lifting the car just high enough so that crosswinds can break traction and cause spins and crashes. Your average Honda Civic is dirty aerodynamically and will not benefit much from a spoiler or wing at all. Niether will an SRT-10 Ram. That front air dam does more for the truck aerodynamically than any wing. The air dam is almost ineffective also because there are no side skirts like what is on the Lightning to maintain that air flow under teh vehicle. Side skirts help keep high pressure air from building up under the chassis of teh vehicle. The reason is that if teh air dam is lower than the rest of the vehicle, it will have a pocket of low pressure air travelling along behind it. Once the airflow passes teh front wheels, high pressure air gets drawn in under teh chassis again and still causes that lift that was spoken of earlier. The only thing the air dam does for teh SRT-10 Ram is to keep high pressure air from building up under that excessivly large nose and lifting the front wheels off teh ground. If teh SRT-10 Ram, had larger side skirts, it is unlikely that it would need a spoiler at all.

Now, F1 cars are not downforce kings. Yes, they do produce downforce but not neraly enough to hold the car upside-down. The performance that they can achieve is gotten through computer controlled drivelines, suspension setup and the downforce produced by the wings. Indy cars, not IRL cars but the CART Champ cars, now they are the ones that will produce enough downforce to hold the car upside down. Also, top fuel dragsters and funny cars will produce an insane amount of downforce over the rear wheels. But, looking at both the CART and F1 cars and teh drag cars, one can see teh extreme angle needed to produce any amount of downforce. Hell, look at the NASCAR cars and the angle of the spoilers on those cars. That is the kind of angle you need on a car to produce downforce. These mamby-pamby wings and spoliers on production cars are nothing more than "Look at me!" parts. If you think they are anything more then I really hop you don't go trying to test it out because you will just end up hurting or killing yourself or someone else.



As far as the SRT-10 Ram goes, why bother? It cost as much as a Viper does when all is said and done with mark-ups and such and Chrysler recommends that you not tow or haul anything with it. For all intents and purposes, it is just a big, slow Viper with a non-weatherproof trunk. I used to think they were hot-**** and then I realized what it actually was and I'd rather take a Ford Lighting (if they were still being made) or a Chevy Silverado SS over the SRT-10 Ram anyday. At least those other two trucks will still do truck stuff and not be obnoxious about it either.

Wanna see another waste of a truck? Look at the Toyota Tundra S-Runner.

MacLeod

Originally posted by Jstas

As far as the SRT-10 Ram goes, why bother? It cost as much as a Viper does when all is said and done with mark-ups and such and Chrysler recommends that you not tow or haul anything with it. For all intents and purposes, it is just a big, slow Viper with a non-weatherproof trunk. I used to think they were hot-**** and then I realized what it actually was and I'd rather take a Ford Lighting (if they were still being made) or a Chevy Silverado SS over the SRT-10 Ram anyday. At least those other two trucks will still do truck stuff and not be obnoxious about it either.

Why bother? Because its a 500 horsepower, badass to the bone Dodge Ram!

So it cant tow. So what? A Corvetter cant haul any passengers. So what?

Its also $30,000 cheaper than a Viper. The Quad Cab version stickers for $51,000. The Viper is over 80,000.

Youre right tho that the Lightning is a better performer. The Ram SRT-10 is like all of Mopars muscle cars; light to light racers. The Lightning is a well rounded badass that is as capable in the twisties as the straightaways.

I think its sad theyre not making the Lightning anymore. I think the new bodystyle would look awesome.

exalted512

so all in all...I'm right:p
i would never want a chevy SS...but thats just me
-Cody

AustinKP

Originally posted by Jstas
I'd rather take a Ford Lighting (if they were still being made)

Wait, I thought they were planning on coming out with the new lightning in '06. Did they ditch those plans?

Jstas

The Lightning has been postponed, not killed off.

Here is some info from an AutoWeek article.

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101065