Speaker cable burn in is a MYTH and/or a LIE!

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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2005
    **EDIT** – Never mind. I just found out my daughter put in a 100 watt bulb in the reading lamp and the other has a 75 watt bulb. I think this may alter the findings somewhat.


    AhhhhhhhhhhHH! LOL! great post :D

    PS.....hope your wifes feeling better ;) It's great when they 'participate' in our hobbies :D
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  • boltaction
    boltaction Posts: 42
    edited April 2005
    Burn in doesn't exist, but the placebo effect does.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2005
    I would normally choose to argue with you, but since I'm going to be moving to Oregon, and, considering you probably own guns, I'll restrain myself this time. :D
    BTW, the Trailblazers suck! oops :(
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited April 2005
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    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2005
    Yes, i was going to mention that too but I'm trying to be nicer these days. There was a certain lack of substance though.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Boltaction, another member of the "Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know" club.

    Answer this. What cables have you tried and on what gear?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2005
    He has signed up for the program, and demo'd, so at least he's making an informed opinion.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Ok, but were they brand new cables?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • boltaction
    boltaction Posts: 42
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by F1nut
    Ok, but were they brand new cables?

    Not to be rude in any way, but are you denying that wanting something to happen generally makes it happen? Audio is extremely subjective and many different factors must be considered to truly make an informed opinion, and I assume you already realise that.

    But this argument is nearly on a factor of religion versus atheism. You have scientific reasoning that is testified against by belief. I have exhibited my opinion on the matter.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2005
    but are you denying that wanting something to happen generally makes it happen?

    I'll certainly deny that. I've wanted to get into Nancy Souzas pants for 36 years and it ain't happened yet. :(
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Your first question is a bit opened ended, but I'll take it in the context I believe you meant it in. No, I do not believe my wanting something audio related to happen will make it so. Here's a easy example. I really wanted to be blown away by a pair of 23k speakers, it didn't happen the first time, nor the second and believe me I wanted them to sound great. On the other side, I've heard gear that, in my mind, I though would be bad actually knock my socks off. So, no I do not believe in the placebo effect as it may relate to me. Your mileage may vary.

    I do agree that this hobby is very subjective and that is why I am curious as to what gear and brand new cables helped you form your opinion.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • boltaction
    boltaction Posts: 42
    edited April 2005
    My subjective listening was done using a Yamaha CR-640 Amplifier, Polk 5jr+ mains and M&K VX-4 sub. Audio was a wide assortment of genres from vinyl to digital audio outputted from a computer at 192khz.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Ok, thanks. Now, did you run rca interconnect cables (what brand) between the computer and the receiver or are we talking about speaker cables? I have no personal experience using a computer as the source, but my gut feeling is that it isn't the best way to test cables.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Ah, I just read your review of the Anti-Cables, well written. I'm still not getting what you based your comment about burn in on, but I digress. We'll just have to agree to disagree about that subject.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • boltaction
    boltaction Posts: 42
    edited April 2005
    The computer cables were originally done using some very, very cheap and unshielded RCA's, about 15 feet long. I mean, the plug ends were rusty.

    When I picked up my subwoofer I found some gold plated interconnects that didn't have a brand name but were thickly shielded and braided so I can assume they were much better.

    The sound was better between those cables, but we are talking about rust to gold. I agree with you in some respects, my point is that $200 cables are probably going to sound exactly the same as $800 ones and at that point you would be wasting your money. Which could go into my tuition :)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2005
    Some thoughts of mine concerning burn in on $100.00 cables and $100.00 cables vs $800.00 ones.

    http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15779

    Scoll down to my review.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • LiquidSound
    LiquidSound Posts: 1,261
    edited April 2005
    Bumblebees can't fly.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by LiquidSound
    Bumblebees can't fly.

    Seven simple strategies for making the impossible possible.
    Never Forget
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2005
    The MIT's burned in for sure and seriously folks, I didn't give a crap if they were to change or not. These posts are so annoying. BTW, I hate freakin EE's and I am one...

    (Nothing personal) :D

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by LiquidSound
    Bumblebees can't fly.

    Actually this is an urban legend. It was based on an equation back in the 1930's proving that a STATIONARY WING airplane as small as a bumblebee and with the same aerodynamics could not fly because it would move too slow. This doesnt work cause obviously a bumblebee doenst have stationary wings.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited April 2005
    I'd like to add my 2 cents if I may. Who's Nancy Souza?

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • LiquidSound
    LiquidSound Posts: 1,261
    edited April 2005
    Urban legend? Maybe so..that wasn't the point. The point is science doesn't always have an explanation for everything. Maybe something is occuring that doesn't have a numerical answer..yet.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by George Grand
    I'd like to add my 2 cents if I may. Who's Nancy Souza?

    Great minds think alike ;)
    A girl from highschool. I had her on the ropes one time too......damn! :(
    52 and I still think about her :o
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