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  • spwuinmk67
    spwuinmk67 Posts: 797
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by pjdami
    Okay..let's get back on track. This is a fine forum because I just learned that tube car amps do indeed exist. Didn't know that!

    A lot of diversity on this forum too. All walks and breeds...just a big melting pot of folks.

    :D:D

    Learn somethin new everyday. I'll definatly agree on the main topic, that this forum is great. I've visited a few others, no thanks. I even sat around here for....a while, before I came a member. I would just read and learn, make occasional post as a guest, then I joined because of the quality of people on here.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by spwuinmk67
    Get started
    I was going to post the TRU amp but I guess they stopped making it? Oh well, Tube amps don't belong in cars. Period.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Toxis
    I was going to post the TRU amp but I guess they stopped making it? Oh well, Tube amps don't belong in cars. Period.

    Mmmmmm. TRU! Makes me hard just hearing the name!

    I agree with you 100% Tox.

    Allow me to quote my favorite car audio engineer extraordinaire, Richard Clark:
    tube amps are a serious waste of money--an obsolete technology like wooden wheels and horse drawn buggys-i can make any good quality solid state amp sound exactly like a tube amp with less than 5 dollars worth of parts---i have done it on many ocaasions for my amp challenge---but why would anyone want to degrade a good solid state amp to make it sound like a tube unit??? sure confuses me

    (boy, this wont raise any hackles)
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited March 2005
    *hands mac a flame suit...*

    *runs*

    (I suggest you run too)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    *hands mac a flame suit...*

    *runs*

    (I suggest you run too)

    LMAO!! :D

    Yeah, I do have some unorthodox views, but one day my genius will be understood! :p:p
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

    polkaudio SR6500 --- polkaudio MM1040 x2 -- Pioneer P99 -- Rockford Fosgate P1000X5D
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    LMAO!! :D

    Yeah, I do have some unorthodox views, but one day my genius will be understood! :p:p
    Stop lying to yourself now.
    cats.vans.bag...
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    One day young man, youll look back and think, "man that MacLeod guy was not only super cool and a chick magnet but he was way ahead with his ideas as well".
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

    polkaudio SR6500 --- polkaudio MM1040 x2 -- Pioneer P99 -- Rockford Fosgate P1000X5D
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    One day young man, youll look back and think, "man that MacLeod guy was not only super cool and a chick magnet but he was way ahead with his ideas as well".
    young man? i'm a kid down deep inside but usually i'm all business... don't think there is going to be much thinkin back and remembering of the polk forum.
    cats.vans.bag...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    I've learned a lot here, I like it.
    Never Forget
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    I've learned a lot here, I like it.
    Same. it has it's slow moments but for the most part it's a great place!
    cats.vans.bag...
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Mmmmmm. TRU! Makes me hard just hearing the name!
    I almost bought the T3.150 not to long ago but decided that putting the money into an HDTV and a killer HT would be WELL better spent. I've been broken into 5 times, the last one was when the whole damn car got stolen. I'm still bitter over that so I don't really think I can go to that extreme again. I was going to do a Denon HU, Tru 4ch., Focal K2P's, and the 11" K2P driver. Would've been clean as a mother ... but again, better chance of having a car broken into than your house.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    Joelsbass has the USAmps TU-600 in his car powering his mm6s. ill be getting the same amp for my Iridiums later this year.
    as far as Richard Clark goes...
    well, i just cant trust a guy that has a competition saying that all amps sound the same but yet clearly states as Mac quoted:
    "i can make any good quality solid state amp sound exactly like a tube amp"
    i thought all amps sounded the same?:rolleyes:
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by exalted512
    as far as Richard Clark goes...
    well, i just cant trust a guy that has a competition saying that all amps sound the same but yet clearly states as Mac quoted:
    "i can make any good quality solid state amp sound exactly like a tube amp"
    i thought all amps sounded the same?:rolleyes:
    -Cody

    Richard Clarke is legit, he puts his money where his mouth is, for about what, 10+ years on the amp challenge. I don't think he has ever stated that tube amps sound like solid state amps.
    Never Forget
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    did you happen to read my post?
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Toxis
    I almost bought the T3.150 not to long ago but decided that putting the money into an HDTV and a killer HT would be WELL better spent. I've been broken into 5 times, the last one was when the whole damn car got stolen. I'm still bitter over that so I don't really think I can go to that extreme again. I was going to do a Denon HU, Tru 4ch., Focal K2P's, and the 11" K2P driver. Would've been clean as a mother ... but again, better chance of having a car broken into than your house.

    I agree with ya bro. I would love to have a set of MB Quart Q's with Xtants all around but even if I were poopin' cash, I still wouldnt want to stick $3000 worth of audio equipment in a car. Way too many hazards out there. Ill probably always have $1000-1500 systems at most.
    Originally quoted by exalted512
    as far as Richard Clark goes...well, i just cant trust a guy that has a competition saying that all amps sound the same but yet clearly states as Mac quoted:
    "i can make any good quality solid state amp sound exactly like a tube amp"
    i thought all amps sounded the same?

    Well then jump on over there and pick you up a cool $10,000. :D
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    I agree with ya bro. I would love to have a set of MB Quart Q's with Xtants all around but even if I were poopin' cash, I still wouldnt want to stick $3000 worth of audio equipment in a car. Way too many hazards out there. Ill probably always have $1000-1500 systems at most.

    Well then jump on over there and pick you up a cool $10,000. :D
    umm...ill have more than $1500 is just amp(s) for my subs when i get the USAmps...

    and ill do the same comparison in my truck with my current fosgate and the tu-600 when i get it. i think itll be pretty obvious...youre welcome to come down and listen to it:)
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2005
    All I have to say, is read Richard Clarks' requirements for the challenge....and you wonder why noone cares to challenge. He's just another disgruntled soapbox audiophile with high end gear in his house.

    We are all crazy, that much is true, you simply cannot define or evaluate anything in this hobby and think you have the definitive answer to this issue.

    He doesn't have alot of challenges, because the challenge itself is just stupid.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    All I have to say, is read Richard Clarks' requirements for the challenge....and you wonder why noone cares to challenge. He's just another disgruntled soapbox audiophile with high end gear in his house.

    We are all crazy, that much is true, you simply cannot define or evaluate anything in this hobby and think you have the definitive answer to this issue.

    He doesn't have alot of challenges, because the challenge itself is just stupid.
    EXACTLY
    a real amp challenge would be get 2 amps with quick disconnect power and speaker wire connectors hooked up to the same head unit with the same speaker. listen to one, switch everything to the other amp. all the while randomly changing the volume of the head unit a few clicks so people just wont hear the difference in volume levels. if he offered that challenge, my deaf grandpa could win 10k
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by exalted512
    EXACTLY
    a real amp challenge would be get 2 amps with quick disconnect power and speaker wire connectors hooked up to the same head unit with the same speaker. listen to one, switch everything to the other amp. all the while randomly changing the volume of the head unit a few clicks so people just wont hear the difference in volume levels. if he offered that challenge, my deaf grandpa could win 10k
    -Cody

    Um thats what he does. Same head unit, same speakers, same music. You control the volume, the switching, the duration, the music choice, everything.

    The only things that are defeated are EQ's and processing. Why, because hes not testing for the difference between EQ's and processing.

    The amp challenge isnt to show there are no differences in amps, of course there are. Nobody would claim an Xtant or USAmps is as good as Audiobahn or Pyle. What the amp challenge shows is that when compared equally, the sonic differences are below the audible threshold of human hearing.

    And Richard Clark is not some dude sitting in his basement wearing boxers and typing away on his computer. hes a columnist for Carsound and Performance magazine, a commitee member of Audio Engineering Society (along with our very owne BKnaus) holds a patent for an audio cable design, author of a few books and is legendary in the car audio competition circuit. Hes got some credibility.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2005
    I'm well aware of who he is, and very familiar with that challenge.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited March 2005
    Richard Clark is a **** idiot. He's trying to coattail on SOME of what Bob Carver said YEARS ago about amps, but butchers it in the process.

    Tubes are not obsolete. Transistors became the mainstream because they were MUCH cheaper, MUCH smaller, and ran more efficiently (required smaller power supplies and less voltage).

    Yeah, cool forum here.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    Richard Clark is a **** idiot. He's trying to coattail on SOME of what Bob Carver said YEARS ago about amps, but butchers it in the process.


    Boy, I tell ya. Just the very mention of his name invokes all kinds of rage and hatred. You should see it on some of the other forums. My Gawd man, if you people believe you can hear the difference between amps then fine. No need to bust a blood vessel over it.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited March 2005
    So he's on a committee, so he writes for audio rag. Who cares.

    I'm Superfly TNT. I'm the Guns of the Navarone. I'm a mushroom cloud laying mother f*cker, mother f*cker.

    Cheers,
    Rooster
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited March 2005
    I'm Superfly TNT. I'm the Guns of the Navarone. I'm a mushroom cloud laying mother f*cker, mother f*cker.

    Yes, but are you Sancho? Noooo!
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by dragon1952
    Yes, but are Sancho? Noooo!
    did you just steal my sig?
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    and as I say that, my sig does not show. :rolleyes:
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited March 2005
    Yes I stole your sig...that's why it's not showing up :D
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited March 2005
    I don't know much about Clarke or what he's done...but if you're telling me he says that he can build an equivalent to a tube amp for less than 5 bucks in parts and telling me that I can't hear the differences between a Parasound and a Carver given equal power and all that...he's an idiot, plain and simple.

    I had the pleasure of hearing tube gear for the first time a month or so ago. Anyone who says tubes are obsolete or don't sound as good as ss amps has either never listened to tubes, or is hearing impared...simple as that. Some people may not prefer tubes to ss, but anyone who says there isn't a difference is a damned fool...

    I love this place...
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by dragon1952
    Yes I stole your sig...that's why it's not showing up :D
    DAMN YOU SCUBA STEVE!!!!!!!!
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited March 2005
    You only get 1 sig per page, so it depends how many posts you have show up on each page. For example, you sig did show up for me that post.
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