new RTi series....

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    :rolleyes:

    Nice to see we are getting full participation from the peanut gallery...

    I have yet to hear ANY points to why we should have 3 7.5" woofers on a speaker thats like 15" deep....

    Or why to use multiple small drivers over one big one. They didnt use it for the LSi line, I wonder why :rolleyes:

    If multiple small drivers are needed so much, why arnt they utilized in the TOTL?

    The SRT dosnt do it either...

    There must be SOMETHING to it.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2005
    Sid, 3 6" drivers are going to be equal to putting a 12-15" sub on the side of a speaker. The effect can be the same and so the arguement that the 3 on the 12's are unnecessary is unfounded.

    Believe me, the 12's put out a LOT of bass, and the fact that I have a PSW1200 sub takes it up to another level.

    My point was that there isn't just one way to design a speaker. To say the RTi series isn't good any more is a really stupid comment. People are indeed buying the RT series, just like people buy the LSi speakers. You can't claim people are just buying a name, because Polk's product range is too wide. If you don't like the RTi line, then don't buy it, but don't insult the tastes of others that feel that it's a great product for WHATEVER reason (or revision) they've chosen.
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited January 2005
    side-firing woofers limit placement options too. ;)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    I never said they WERENT great. Granted, I dont like the RTi70 (that series) revision that happened.

    But I actually LIKE the other versions. I just feel it needs to be done with, and I am not the ONLY one that feels this way. I'm just the only one bored enough to fight out all the loyalist...

    And I also said they never put out alot of bass either, I just said - I dont see the point of a bunch of small drivers, a good 12" woofer, moving 2" linear would be MORE than enough. Heck a 10" moving that much would be extroidinary...

    Dont put words in my mouth because I dont like one revision Polk made, lets stick with the actual argument of why the RT series should or should not stay when Polk plans to come out with a new MOTL/Revise the current on...

    Yes, 3 7.5" Woofers cover more surface area than a 12-15". But how far do they MOVE, thats a whole other ball game - chances are they dont move more than 6-7 MM linear...

    You get a 10-12-15" moving 1.5 - 2" linear...its a whole new ballgame, I'm not gonna punch the numbers or anything because I dont know how...

    I mean what exactly is everyone afraid of? Polk making a NEW motl? Arnt you all curious WHAT they would do?
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  • coolfishy101
    coolfishy101 Posts: 42
    edited January 2005
    I THINK the reason they put smaller woofers in front was to give a more "in your face" movie action.

    Maybe they thought about side woofers but it sounded better with fronts. You told me earlier that you hated the powered subs in the RT series. Maybe that is why they didn't go with one big one.
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited January 2005
    I think they did it so they could have narrower speaker cabinets, plus make the speaker cooler looking.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by fireshoes
    I think they did it so they could have narrower speaker cabinets, plus make the speaker cooler looking.


    Yes, this is what I heard from "Polk Paul" the "Narrow Speaker" look is where the market is. I couldn't agree with him any more.

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    Dont get me wrong about powered towers.

    I've heard some speakers with built in powered subs I would own in a heart beat...

    They cost alot of money though, and I can get similar results from their passive/non subwoofer line...

    Powered towers have their place, but I look at it as more of an effeciency type deal. It makes the speakers alot easier to drive having the subs powered. But the thing about that it to make sure the subs are blended in PERFECTLY with the speaker.... (crossover) - you would, of course - have to leave the volume up to the listener.

    I think their goal is like what? 9" wide at the most...

    You could fit a NICE high quality 10" in there and be booming along nicely... (LSi125)

    Definetely will agree that having that many drivers in the front is awesome looking!
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited January 2005
    well grab yourself some wood and make urself a set of speakers with side firing woofers
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited January 2005
    A lot of things...
    No hard feelings anyone, I mean it.

    -Why would Polk get rid of all their technology? Polk busted their asses to find something that would make their stuff different and better than everybody elses, if we're gonna get rid of all the technology, why don't we just go back to untreated paper cones, one 15" woofer, a 8" midrange, and a 3" tweeter?
    -The narrow cabinet doesn't necessarily make it more in your face, but rather, more transparent, with better imaging, it will also make the bass tighter, a lot less sloppy and much easier to place in a tight spot.
    -The small woofers can be do a lot, they increase imaging by making a narrow cabinet, and use special woofers, meant to work with each other, to acheive bass on the lower end of the Audio Spectrum.
    -Also, the new Aesthetics were obviously remodeled to match the flat screen fashion, if you don't like it, keep your grilles on.
    -Powered subwoofer limit placement options, raise price, and the longevity of the product.
    -Why build a speaker like RTi12, so big and all that crap? (but note: small foot print.)
    -Some people would rather not worry about placement of a the speaker to an outlet, or the placement of a subwoofer, or even, they just want full range coming out of the fronts, while being supplemented by the Subwoofer.
    Lastly, 3/4 is plenty wide enough. With just a little bracing (which they have) and anything beyond that is going to the point of diminishing returns, more expensive, heavier, larger dimensions, etc.

    Polk did a wonderful job with their RTi line, and will continue to do so, Bravo Polk!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    "-The small woofers can be do a lot, they increase imaging by making a narrow cabinet, and use special woofers, meant to work with each other, to acheive bass on the lower end of the Audio Spectrum."

    The woofers in the RTi12 all play the same frequencies...

    Crossover
    (mid-high array) 1.8kHz, 12dB/octave low and high pass. 120Hz 12dB/octave high pass
    Crossover
    (subwoofer) 120Hz, 12dB/octave low pass

    Were not talking about powered towers, but passive towers with one big woofer instead of a bunch of small ones...

    And, even with a large side firing woofer, they could still keep the current width... you just wouldnt have all those subs in the front...
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited January 2005
    Right, but, they all play a little flatter +-dB, and softer than a conventional woofer, than put together, they play at a level comparable to the rest of the components on the woofer.
    I know the crossover points, I've been analyzing this speaker for half-a year now.
    And yes I know they are passive subs, but they are meant to play the lowest of the front channel signal. Sound engineers still use a full range speaker in mind for Home Theater, if they didn't, all sounds below 120 Hz would be shuttled to the subwoofer in the setup.
    Polk designed them with the idea of having good full range HT speaker, no extra amplifiers, no fancy cabinet construction, just a simple face front easy placement speaker.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    I understand what your saying...

    Theres a place for everything, obviously they cant cover it all...

    I'm more so just wanting to see a line from Polk more geared torwards music, yet still can do the HT thing...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited January 2005
    Ah, sounds like time for a new line :)
    And yes I do see what you're saying, those would be great ideas for a new line.
    I'm glad we're on the same page.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2005
    I don't like the idea of any large sub drivers in my towers, powered or not. They break up the look of the speaker IMO and I LOVE the look of the drivers facing me on the 12's. Drivers face the seating position, and that's how I want them......period.

    Retiring the "RT" line isn't going to (or shouldn't) happen IMO. It's one of the core's of Polk's speaker line. How many different revisions has the Camaro or Mustang had? Same concept....while the name designations may changeslightly, the line is an ever changing beast.

    Why do you even care really.......every single thing you've had audio-wise has circulated in and out like a revolving door.....
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2005
    Built-in subwoofer....nice idea, have yet to see it mean anything.

    Just so the DefTech flunkie doesn't chime in....heard 'em, left 'em.
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  • eaadams
    eaadams Posts: 213
    edited January 2005
    I think the camero is a bad example ;)
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by eaadams
    I think the camero is a bad example ;)
    I'm not a fan of either of them, but the example works
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  • coolfishy101
    coolfishy101 Posts: 42
    edited January 2005
    OK, people the subs were just a freakin' example. I gave up on it during the third post. I'm just saying some different ideas, I'm in no way an expert. Why don't any of you try to come up with different ideas of your own you'd like to see in the new line, instead of knocking me and sid. At least we have opinions.
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited January 2005
    We're just defending a line we consider good to us, and putting out our two cents, we're not "knocking" on you, and well, Sid's used to it :p
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited January 2005
    Ah, I dont care...

    It was saturday entertainment for me, being locked in the house, was slick as glass outside...

    BUT, I did have fun doing burn outs in the driveway! ;)
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  • vtec11
    vtec11 Posts: 82
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by brettw22
    I'm not a fan of either of them, but the example works

    Maybe he meant bad example since they don't make camaros anymore. :cool:
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited February 2005
    ok corvette and mustang lol.....knit pickers
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  • eaadams
    eaadams Posts: 213
    edited February 2005
    yep that was my point
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  • GaryZ06
    GaryZ06 Posts: 317
    edited February 2005
    I have the RTi12's and really love them....as for bass I have a little friend to help out....
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited February 2005
    What are the differences between the RTi12 and the RTi150? My thinking is this RTi12 are easier to drive, with the right power I think the RTi150 sound great. Anything I missed?

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited February 2005
    a big piece of it...

    extra midbass driver, bigger woofers, 7.5" from a 6.5"

    new tweeter, bigger cabinet (I think), no ARC port, and advanced power port

    New wood veneer
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    a big piece of it...

    extra midbass driver, bigger woofers, 7.5" from a 6.5"

    new tweeter, bigger cabinet (I think), no ARC port, and advanced power port

    New wood veneer


    Ok, but with bigger woofers shouldn't there be better spec's?

    RTi150 26-26k -3db vs. RTi12 30-26k -3db

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,775
    edited February 2005
    Now THAT, I cant explain...
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Now THAT, I cant explain...


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    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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