The Install

AustinKP

Originally posted by Josh
Do a paint/plexi/vinyl combo. If you look at most high-end installs, there is little to no D/P. The MTX S10 is one of the exceptions.

Yeah, but Mac isn't like most other boys...

exalted512

i dont have any terminals in mine, i drilled a hole, stuck the power wire through, glued it up:)

Mac, that airspace is perfect for an IDQ. If you havent heard one of these, youll be utterly amazed by its sound quality. Bad thing is i know you hate to wait and its on factory back order, but i would certainly call them and ask. You can probably even get it cheaper than the $160. If youre serious about it, let me know and ill look around for sites that have it cheaper, that way sounddomain can price match:D
Honestly, if it wasnt for the back order and how i know you hate waiting, id **** slap you if you didnt get this sub.:p
http://www.cardomain.com/item/IDSIDQ10D2V2
Theres no doubt in my mind that if i wanted a sub that fits your needs, id get the idq in a second
-Cody

MacLeod

LOL!!

Im way ahead of ya my brother.

The IDQ10 is already on my short list.

Others that would fit the bill are

Orion P10: .4 box but needs upwards of 500 watts. Im in the 350-400 range

Crossfire BMF: .4 box and handles 400

The problem with these are theyre SPL subs. They still sound pretty good but Im wanting a SQ sub.

Thats really all I could find that would work in that box with that power.

The IDQ 10 is only rated at 250 but I emailed the ID Tech Support and told him Id be giving it nearly 400 watts. His reply was "you need not worry; itll handle it".

I still want the MM2104 and Ive thought about pollyfillin' the hell out of the box but I think that much fill would just muck up the sound.

denim

install looks to be coming along great,

if your looking at the IDQv2 maybe look into the IDv3, I feel it is a great sub for the money

exalted512

Have you heard that crossfire before? I heard it sealed and didnt really like it. the box was .55ft^3. not a bad sub, but just not in the same league as the idq. btw, sd is having a 10-15% off sale in june
-Cody

MacLeod

I looked at the V3 but dont mind shelling out an extra $40 for the IDQ.

Ive never heard a Crossfire sub. Just read some reviews one em.

They all said about the same as you. "Hits real hard and sounds ok for a SPL sub."

I think its just going to be hard to beat the IDQ. My only gripe is the 250 watt power handling. Id like a 400 watt sub.

Id love to have an IDMAX. Oh, how Id love that!! Get a truck tool box and forget about any storage inside the truck and build the 1 ft^3 box for it. Id also have to get a 1000 watt amp too. The Crossfire VR1000D for $500 should do the trick!!

My little plan of using vinyl tiles to cover the outside of the box isnt going to work. I could get them on there but it would look like ****.

I guess Ill have no choice but to carpet it. I may break down and have a shop do it for me. Ive tried carpeting the last 2 boxes I made. Wasnt pretty.

swerve

Originally posted by MacLeod

I guess Ill have no choice but to carpet it. I may break down and have a shop do it for me. Ive tried carpeting the last 2 boxes I made. Wasnt pretty.

I just idd my first carpet job today... on my trunk floor... it looks hella good for my first attempt.

MacLeod

I was getting sick of having lousy imaging so I decided to play around with tweeter placement some.

My first spot was in the stock locations. In the dash and firing up into the windshield. The imaging wasnt any better and it sounded like crap.

Next spot was at the bottom of the A pillars firing towards the spot between the middle of the seats. This had the best imaging. The center was finally in front of me and the left was to the left side of the truck. The right tho was aaaallllllll the way over on the other door. But the biggest thing was it sounded like crap. To much glass and it made heavy guitars very harsh.

I tired halfway up on the A pillars but had the same effect as at the bottom but with a higher stage. Still sounded like crap.

So theyre back in the sail panels. My imaging still sucks with the center and left virtually on top of each other but the sound quality is 10 times better.

Oh well, I may have to look into kicks.

exalted512

have you tried putting the tweeter at -3dB when u had it up in the a-pillars? for me that was the best. I tried putting the tweeters in the kicks and in just sounded very low, like around belly level
-Cody

MacLeod

I didnt mess with the tweeters gain on the amp. Its already set higher than the mids due to my configuration. Since my mids are running full range I have me treble on the h/u set at -4 and centered on 10K Hz to take some of the harshness out and so I have my tweets gain a smidge higher.

I kinda figured it would be this way. Glass and high frequencies dont tend to mix too well.

Ive not heard too many systems using kicks but a lot of SQ competitors use em with nothing mounted higher and they seem to do well. I dunno, Im not thrilled about kicks as Ill have to have em custom made to fit my big **** MM6's and itll take me leg stretchin' room.

exalted512

but most sq installs are in cars where the kicks arent that far from your head...
-Cody

MacLeod

With a fullsize truck I think youre screwed no matter where you put your stuff.

I was thinking of putting the mids in front of the front seats. This is almost the perfect distance but there just isnt room to fabricate a mounting spot there.

exalted512

you should buy a ford festiva, i bet you could get great SQ in one of those
-Cody

audiobliss

And you could just tow it behind your Dodge.....so you could still actually enjoy driving! lol

MacLeod

LOL!! Thats about right. There is a reason that all the great SQ cars are tiny. Bigg's regal is one of the few exceptions but that car is light years away from being stock so much that its ridiculous.

I guess I can live with excellent sound quality, excellent stage height and half assed imaging but a V8 and plenty of interior stretchin' out room!

neomagus00

having tried tweeter-integrated kicks (in a small car), i found that the stage was way way too low for my liking... great imaging and all that, but the plane of sound was at about my solar plexus, maybe three inches behind the instrument panel. bleh.

solution: move the tweeters back to the dash, aim them better, and get a headunit with time alignment. then, of course, i discovered that pioneer's TA does other things to the sound that make it icky; it sure doesn't sound like just a delay (that is, with all the distances set to zero, it should sound identical to TA OFF, but it doesn't). so i have an inquiry email into pioneer now, we'll see what they say...

audiobliss

Originally posted by neomagus00
so i have an inquiry email into pioneer now, we'll see what they say...

That should be interesting. What Pioneer HU do/did you have? I guess the TA and such would be the same on my 860MP.

MacLeod

Right now my stage is about perfect. Its just a tad below eye level and extends to the windshield so Im happy with that.

The only thing I need to fix is to properly locate the left, and right and especially the center which is to the left of where it should be.

I tried them on the dash aimed several different ways and I did get better imaging but the SQ wasnt nearly as good and smooth as with them mounted in the sails.

And time alignment is cheating!

spwuinmk67

Originally posted by audiobliss
That should be interesting. What Pioneer HU do/did you have? I guess the TA and such would be the same on my 860MP.

I belive he has the same one.

MacLeod

Well I think Im done, at least for now. Ive been experimenting for months now with tweeter positions trying to get good imaging AND SQ and I think Ive finally got it.

My final positions are the left tweeter is turned in as far as it can go, pretty much firing at the middle of the pasenger window. Its also aimed slightly up partly due to the angle of the a pillar and also to get over the instrument panel's hump in the dash. The right tweeter is turned in and firing basically at the left corner of the windshield, just passed the left tweeter. I had to do this because since the left tweet was so far off axis the right one was overpowering it pretty bad and everything was coming from the right.

This final setting, so far from the CD's Ive been listening to, seems to be as good as I can get. My left and right are at the left and right a pillars and the center is just to the left of the middle of the dash which is pretty good considering where my mids are located.

Stage height is almost perfect at just a tad below eye level. Depth isnt that bad, it doesnt extend beyond the windshield but it doesnt seem shallow either.

I still have a bit of reflection from the windshield **** with my SQ a little but its only really evident with heavy metal.

All and all, I am now ready to enter the competiton scene. Finally and only a year later than Id planned and it doesnt matter anyway as the competition season is now over. Boy do I have timing or what? :rolleyes:

audiobliss

Hehe. Only a year late.

Congrats on gettin' how ya want it - for now, lol.