Good bye VHS

Willow
Willow Posts: 11,064
edited December 2004 in Electronics
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
    Cool. In about 50 years the ones I have will be worth something to my heirs...
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2004
    Fast Forward to the year 2025

    Audiogon mkIV

    For Sale 2500.00 obo

    Mint JVC VHS 8 MICRO head design VHS, extremely excellent analog machine, all functions work even blinking clock, if you are tired of your bright sounding 126 billion gigahertz nuclear video/sound processor you definetly owe it to yourself to give this machine a try. I have overseen a complete cleaning of this excellent sounding VHS with the original head cleaning tape. It features the Dolby Pro Logic system which gives a warmth to both sound and video that simply cannot be matched or understood by todays processor's. If you really want to hear audio and see how video was supposed to look as Director George Lucas intended on the very FIRST release of Star Wars you owe it to yourself to get this wonder. For the full price I will include the original audio AND video interconnect cords which I have already burned in for you.

    This one won't last as they are extemely rare and hardly ever found in this condition.

    Paypal please add 50% to cover fees.

    RT1 :D
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    heck that's the add I should place now for my toshiba 2 head stereo vcr.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2004
    I still remember my mom bringing home (actually, my dad gets to carry that heavy piece of metal) our first VCR.....

    Top-loading VHS machince she purchased for $600.00 back in the late 70s. Even came with the optional wired remote control.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    I remember back when my mom rented me ET and Poltergeist on these big square disks......can't remember what they are called
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  • kingtut
    kingtut Posts: 813
    edited November 2004
    We purchased our first vcr in 1980. It was a JVC, top-loading, wired remote control, connection to the TV via attena to RF coaxial converter. The sucker was huge and heavy and cost almost $800.
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  • kingtut
    kingtut Posts: 813
    edited November 2004
    Willow, it's the RCA disc player (I think) w/the disc that came in the LP record-like jacket.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by kingtut
    Willow, it's the RCA disc player (I think) w/the disc that came in the LP record-like jacket.


    Right...I thought I was the coolest kid on the block :rolleyes:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2004
    VHS lost my interest way before 1997.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Willow
    I remember back when my mom rented me ET and Poltergeist on these big square disks......can't remember what they are called

    It's the RCA CEDs (or Capacitance Electronic Discs). Check the below website....

    http://www.cedmagic.com/selectavision.html
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    those where them !!!:D .....good ol' days that was high tech
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    I still have a hi-fi job hooked up for music.

    The VCR isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. There is SO much media out, it just won't die. Turntables and Tape decks are still sold a major retail chains. They may not have a huge selection, but they offer the product.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    I heard you can make very good audio recordings on VCR's and for about 6hrs worth too...not bad...never tried it.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited November 2004
    MSN News Article
    To add insult to injury, police grudgingly admit that in Britain at least, house burglars don't even bother to take VHS players because new ones now cost so little that no one wants a second-hand model.
    That's just fricken funny!
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited November 2004
    how do you get the recorder to use the entire magnetic strip for audio instead of the designated audio spot?
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited November 2004
    Dunno I read that on a forum one day the guys where talking about it.......they lost me after tons of tech mumbo-jumbo...



    from Ecoustics
    Question:
    How can I record audio with a mic to a VCR?

    Response:
    Your VCR will almost certainly not have a microphone input, so you will need an external microphone connection. You will need to purchase an outboard microphone connection box with its own volume control and connect its RCA audio outputs directly to the inputs on your VCR or to a set of audio inputs on your receiver or pre-amplifier.

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Airplay355
    how do you get the recorder to use the entire magnetic strip for audio instead of the designated audio spot?
    Hi-Fi VHS using a rotating drum, recording head for audio as well as video. All the tracks are laid on the tape in slashes across its width. Kinda like this...
    /////////////////
    So no more tape is used in just recording audio. There is substantially less signal though. Other than the audio there's only a timing signal laid down so the playback heads on the drum can find the audio.

    Although VHS tape travels very slowly (1-3/4 ips I believe), as I recall with the rotating drum the effective tape speed is better than 15 ips.

    A good Hi-Fi VHS can dup a CD and be indistinguishable from the original.
    More later,
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    A good Hi-Fi VHS can dup a CD and be indistinguishable from the original.

    I'll be sure to fall over myself to start making some VHS copies of my favorite music.

    VHS is one step away from the Beta trashcan, why on earth would you waste time in this format for audio? I would love to hear the justification.

    No slight on you tapers, but I just dont understand the need for this media anymore.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,762
    edited November 2004
    It's simple really, there is something like 2 VCR's for every house in America and there are a lot of folks who like to record TV shows for playback and whom haven't purchased DVD recorders which have just started to come down in price. Add to that the number of tapes amassed in folks collections over the past 20 years and it becomes clear as to why the VCR is still around and will continue to be around for awhile longer.

    As for using a VCR to record audio.......I agree, why bother.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,842
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    I'll be sure to fall over myself to start making some VHS copies of my favorite music.

    VHS is one step away from the Beta trashcan, why on earth would you waste time in this format for audio? I would love to hear the justification.

    No slight on you tapers, but I just dont understand the need for this media anymore.

    Because I can use my VCR to tape whatever show I want on TV, whenever I want and I don't have to pay some big corporate conglomerate to let me do it nor do I have to build a PC costing thousands of dollars with enough resources to operate like a TiVo.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,842
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by F1nut
    ...there are a lot of folks who like to record TV shows for playback and whom haven't purchased DVD recorders which have just started to come down in price. Add to that the number of tapes amassed in folks collections over the past 20 years and it becomes clear as to why the VCR is still around and will continue to be around for awhile longer.

    As for using a VCR to record audio.......I agree, why bother.

    The DVD recorder's main drawback is that it's media is not reuseable. You can't record over a DVD +/- R disc unless it's an RW but that meadia is about 3 times as much as a non-rewritable media. DVD recording is not cost effective unless the disc prices drop drastically.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,998
    edited November 2004
    VHS HiFi (and Beta HiFi, the original 'hifi stereo' recording format) is an excellent analog medium for recording. Remember that to record video, VCR's need a bandwidth to ca. 4 MHz. The relative tape to head speed is more like 300 ips. The rotating head is what enabled practical video tape, and was invented by Fred Pfost, Ray Dolby, and others at Ampex in the 1950's.

    http://www.tvhandbook.com/History/History_recording.htm
    http://www.danalee.ca/ttt/video_recording.htm

    All of my Christmas music is dubbed to VHS HiFi at "EP" speed. (over 30 hours to date). Sound quality is excellent; dynamic range ca. 100 dB. The ONLY problem with VHS HiFi (besides editing) is that dropouts with (cheaper) tapes can be distracting.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2004
    Didn't Sony, at one time, produced some kind of converter (the model number F1 comes to mind) that allows a Beta Hi-Fi VCR to record music digitally?

    This was years before other digital recording mediums such as DAT or MiniDisc.

    Edit: Nevermind, I found the info.....

    sony_f1.jpg

    The Sony F1 Digital Audio Recorder
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,793
    edited November 2004
    We have like 2,000 VHS movies in our house (if not more) - we have maybe 60-70 DVDs...at the most...

    And when we owned a video store a large majority of the rentals were for VHS, there are plenty of folks out there that dont have dvd players...
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    We have like 2,000 VHS movies in our house (if not more) - we have maybe 60-70 DVDs...at the most...

    And when we owned a video store a large majority of the rentals were for VHS, there are plenty of folks out there that dont have dvd players...

    Not anymore...
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,793
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Demiurge
    Not anymore...

    Oh yeah dude...

    I think the entire US shifted in like 3 months ;)
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Oh yeah dude...

    I think the entire US shifted in like 3 months ;)

    No, I just think you'd be quite suprised. DVD players are as low as $30. I can't imagine anyone doesn't have one considering wha an upgrade they are to the VHS. Even if you rent a couple movies a month it's worth it. I've got about 7 myself and most of them don't even get used. X-Box, PS2, Computer, ect.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    I'll be sure to fall over myself...
    Why? Have you run out of bushes?

    Once upon a time, before carousel and other multi-disk CDP's came along complete with shuffle play, HI-Fi VHS decks were a great way to make a party tape that would last all night.... well, six hours anyway.

    Not saying I still do this, just stating what the results can be.

    EDIT: One thing I have played with recently is VHS taping segments of the one Music Choice channel or another. The good news is the old deck still does nice work on audio. The bad news is there's no reson to do this either since Music Shoice is on 24/ 7...

    The "old deck" is an early Zenith frontloader that's built like a friggin' tank. I bought it discounted through mail order for something ridiculous like $800. Times do change...
    More later,
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Oh yeah dude...

    I think the entire US shifted in like 3 months ;)

    Maybe three months in the 7 years DVD has been out...
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    VHS is one step away from the Beta trashcan

    I still have a Hi Fi Beta. Only has something like 30 actual hours on it. Still works really good, too, but I don't use it anymore. I can't even give it away...
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