Kennedy assassination recreated in video game

sowen010599

"A new video game to be released on Monday allows players to simulate the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy."

You have got to be f-ing kidding me!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/kennedy.game.reut/index.html

PolkThug

I find it disturbing, yet interesting at the same time. Interesting if, everything is done to perfect scale, the speed of the vehicle is correct, the time it takes to reload the rifle, the scope is the same, etc etc. However, the game may be skewed in favor of the creators' personal beliefs. I would never pay for this.

F1nut

The inventor and company producing this game should be ashamed of themselves!

Shizelbs

Originally posted by PolkThug
I find it disturbing, yet interesting at the same time. Interesting if, everything is done to perfect scale, the speed of the vehicle is correct, the time it takes to reload the rifle, the scope is the same, etc etc.

That can all be simulated if someone really feels they need to get to the bottom of it. There is absolutely no good reason to sell the game and profit from it.

What a disgraceful use of creativity and time.

PolkThug

On a similar note, think of all the games that capitalize on the tragedy at Omaha Beach.

Bonham

I don't see why people are so shocked by this. The movie industry has been profiting off this kind of thing for many, many, many years with even more disturbing real life events. I'd be willing to bet most people here have a movie in their collection that is essentially no less noble.

F1nut

President of the United States of America mean anything to you? Are you old enough to have been alive at the time?



You do have a good point about the "movies" profiting off of things they have no business sticking their damn noses in. People like that POS Michael Moore for example.

audiobliss

That is really sad....:(

Shizelbs

The difference is you get rewarded (thus encouraged) to shoot the president. Movies like SPR are an attempt to recreate history so young dumb punks like me can better appreciate our veterans. Big difference.

audiobliss

Originally posted by Shizelbs
The difference is you get rewarded (thus encouraged) to shoot the president. Movies like SPR are an attempt to recreate history so young dumb punks like me can better appreciate our veterans. Big difference.

That's exactly what I wanted to say!....just couldn't....

Bonham

Nope, wasn't around when he was shot, but I do understand the emotions people have about it. However, I see little more shock value in this then I do (the many) games where the entire point of the game is to go mow down people with various kinds of weapons. At least this one is mildly educational (if possibly a bit skewed towards the makers opinions). It did take someone outside of the US to make it however. That might say a little.

A lot of made for television movies are often far less morally responsible for the sake of ratings. How often do you see some sick/immoral event (Peterson trial possibly) and are thinkig "Gee, wonder how long it's going to take them to make a movie about that one?"

Guess the real test of peoples 'outrage' will be how much the game gets downloaded. The bad publicity will likely only increase the interested/demand.

Don't get me wrong, I have no interest in it at all, but I do find it interesting that people are up in arms about this and not other things.

audiobliss

I personally don't agree with ANY first-person (or any other person!) shooter games because all they are is going around town shooting up people; kinda like Collumbine (sp?) High. Maybe with some you are in war, or with others maybe you're clearing a warehouse of terrorists who have taken citzens hostage, but it all really comes down to the same thing. Making a game about shooting the President!?!? Well, I'm sorry, but if you don't think that is just way over the line, you need to...umm.....idk.....think about it some more!!! lol

bknauss

... and GTA isn't getting a lot of attention from the ultra conservatives this time around... weird.

audiobliss

hmm..interesting....isn't that about the worst one?!

jdhdiggs

Hmm, let me put this in perspective a bit: For a lot of the 45+ croud, the JFK assasination was a defining moment in their lives. Personally, if they made the game were you were trying to prevent it or solve the crime I don't have a problem with it.

For the younger folks not getting this, imagine someone making a game where you break through security, hijack planes, and then fly them into buildings all for fun... Or maybe how you can hide guns and bombs around your school and then start a killing spree.

This seems to have really crossed a line that doom, GTA3, MOH et al.. all have not.

PolkThug

Originally posted by jdhdiggs

This seems to have really crossed a line that doom, GTA3, MOH et al.. all have not.

Depends on your line and personal experiences.

There's a lot of cop killing that goes on in GTA. There doesn't have to be a lot, but eventually you will kill a cop trying to complete missions.

Most (if not all) of the WWII games allow you to play on either side, which includes mowing down virtual American soldiers as they try to storm the beach.

Any game that involves killing will offend somebody.

Billm57

Originally posted by PolkThug
On a similar note, think of all the games that capitalize on the tragedy at Omaha Beach.

thank you..i have said that myself on occasion..

MacLeod

Thats a little different. That is you going after the bad guys and killing them. Now if the game was you playing as Jack Ruby and you got rewarded for killing Oswald then that would be ok.

This was the President of the United States and this is shameful.

We should take the maker of this game out and put a bullet in his head then make a video game about it and see what all his friends and family think.

audiobliss

Amen

Bonham

There are shooter games where you aren't going after the 'bad guy'. GTA is a great example. What about the game "Postal"? And who is the 'bad guy' if you're playing Germans in a WWII game? I personally think that is more disrespectful then shooting a president in a game. How many more thousands of WWII vets died at the hands of the German (and other) armies?

Maybe it's just me, but I put the same value on my neighbors life that I do on the presidents. As a matter of fact, I would probably have more respect for my neighbor if they were a WWII vet that saw heavy action... someone like the men from the 101st Airborne. Yes, I can see where it would cause more trouble politically if it was the president that was shot, where it would be a bit more unstabalizing for the country... but it doesn't cross any lines that killing someone else wouldn't be crossing.

It kinda strikes me as similar to Animal Rights Activists that say we shouldn't eat meat cause it's cruel... yet are running around with leather shoes, jackets, purses, car interiors, etc.

This was the President of the United States and this is shameful.

We should take the maker of this game out and put a bullet in his head then make a video game about it and see what all his friends and family think.

Come now, you don't find such a comment crossing a line in itself? Let's kill someone for making a GAME that similates a death? End his life, put his family though hell? Kill the true love some someones life? Have their kids grow up fatherless? Possibly ruin the family financially? For making a GAME in poor taste? No offense, because naturally you're joking on a non-humorous level... saying something obviously ridiculous or overly emotional because you think it gets your point across. However, at face value that comment is just as, if not more, shameful.

audiobliss

Now we're getting into 'well, that's worse than this!!' I can't believe that someone wouldn't be able to see that a game in which the goal is to shoot the President is A LOT worse than killing folks in war. However, I don't think it really matters which one is worse; they're both wrong. Killing is used for capital punishment; that should be the only embraced means of death. All these games about shooting each other are just all messed up.

Originally posted by Bonham
Maybe it's just me, but I put the same value on my neighbors life that I do on the presidents. As a matter of fact, I would probably have more respect for my neighbor if they were a WWII vet that saw heavy action... someone like the men from the 101st Airborne. Yes, I can see where it would cause more trouble politically if it was the president that was shot, where it would be a bit more unstabalizing for the country... but it doesn't cross any lines that killing someone else wouldn't be crossing.

It is all about respect. Like I said, all shooting games are wrong. However, in addition to that, this game is teaching kids to disrespect the President. In a society where almost none of the kids have any respect for anyone in a position of authority, we don't need something like this.

Originally posted by Bonham
It kinda strikes me as similar to Animal Rights Activists that say we shouldn't eat meat cause it's cruel... yet are running around with leather shoes, jackets, purses, car interiors, etc.

all those folks are just wackos....

Originally posted by Bonham
Come now, you don't find such a comment crossing a line in itself? Let's kill someone for making a GAME that similates a death? End his life, put his family though hell? Kill the true love some someones life? Have their kids grow up fatherless? Possibly ruin the family financially? For making a GAME in poor taste? No offense, because naturally you're joking on a non-humorous level... saying something obviously ridiculous or overly emotional because you think it gets your point across. However, at face value that comment is just as, if not more, shameful.

Of course Mac wasn't serious that somebody should grab this guy and shoot him for making this game. However, this does put it in perspective.

Also, you go on and on about how this would ruin the family financially, make the family miserable perhaps forever more, taking away his kids' father, and all that other stuff...Hello! What do you think happened to JFK's family?! Now, obviously they weren't ruined financially, but that's the easiest problem to deal with.

F1nut

It's obvious that some, if not all these shoot'em up games are having a negative effect on today's youth. I say ban them all. Tell the lazy slackers to go outside and play, develop an imagination, breathe some fresh air, make some real friends, etc.

Bonham

Also, you go on and on about how this would ruin the family financially, make the family miserable perhaps forever more, taking away his kids' father, and all that other stuff...Hello! What do you think happened to JFK's family?! Now, obviously they weren't ruined financially, but that's the easiest problem to deal with.

Ok, but there's a huge difference here. The guy that made the game didn't kill Kennedy. He made a game about it. Now, I know he wasn't serious, but there's a world of difference.

I'm actually a little on the fence about games like Postal and GTA. I personally believe that if you let this stuff turn you into a killer that there was something wrong with you in the first place. I'm a tabletop roleplaying gamer for example... and every single instance I've ever seen of some 'whacko roleplayer' having commited some horrible act... the person had some rather obvious problems in the first place that they either didn't realize the first go-round or that they chose to ignore. Criminals who commit acts simply for the 'fun' of it have something wrong with them... the first thing being a lack of willpower. However, constant exposure to things like that seem to have an effect over the long term if we're to believe many situations and studies done by psychologists.

It actually makes me a bit nervous to admit it simply might be in our own human nature to resort to such behaviour if exposed to it long enough.

MacLeod

Originally posted by Bonham


Come now, you don't find such a comment crossing a line in itself? Let's kill someone for making a GAME that similates a death? End his life, put his family though hell? Kill the true love some someones life? Have their kids grow up fatherless? Possibly ruin the family financially? For making a GAME in poor taste? No offense, because naturally you're joking on a non-humorous level... saying something obviously ridiculous or overly emotional because you think it gets your point across. However, at face value that comment is just as, if not more, shameful.

One word for ya - sarcasm. It was a figure of speech, I didnt mean it.

Good grief, I knew I shouldve put a disclaimer up.
:rolleyes:

You guys over here on the HT side are gonna have to get used to us CA guys. We aint very PC. OK? Enough with the acronyms already!

Bonham

You even quoted the part where I said (for the second time) it was obvious you weren't serious.

My point was, if we are to take someones position seriously, they shouldn't say something like that even in jest. Pointing out how bad something of shock value is by saying something of even more drastic shock value usually doesn't do ones side much good in the end.

PolkThug

The FPS game has always existed. In our neighborhood, circa 1981, the most popular outdoor game was "guns". We basically ran around the neighborhood sneaking up on each other in organized teams. If you "shot" the other player, they had to stand there for 30 seconds, while you ran off and the vicious cycle started over again.

Parents and society freaked out about how realistic the plastic guns were, games like that will make us violent, and the usual arguements... Then they started putting red/orange plastic tips on the guns to solve the 'problem'. (Which we of course painted over)

Around 1982 I got into Dungeons & Dragons. We all had a great time playing it, most of the game required a good imagination. Then one kid, who also plays D&D, kills himself.

Parents and society freaks out. The movie Monsters & Magic is made, shocking the nation. Everybody's parents start asking if we are worshipping Satan... The usual arguements, D&D will make us violent, etc.

Oops, I'm ranting.

F1nut

Originally posted by MacLeod

You guys over here on the HT side are gonna have to get used to us CA guys. We aint very PC. OK?

HT side??? This is the home audio side and what makes you think this side is PC? Far, far from it.

sowen010599

Truly, some of the "HT" boys could make a sailor blush.

MacLeod

I think this is a case in that if we have to explain why its bad to make a video game out of blowing JFK's head off and into his wife's lap, then some people will never get it.

And comparing assassinating one of the most beloved Presidents in history and the leader of the free world, an office in which I have the deepest respect regardless the occupant, to a Max Payne game of shooting fictional people further illustrates this.

Kind of like you shouldnt have to explain why the ACLU sucks for defending NAMBLA (nationlal man boy love association [advocates of legalizing child molestation]), but yet every once in a while you do!

Boy, I dont think Im making new friends over on this side.

F1nut

Originally posted by MacLeod

Kind of like you shouldnt have to explain why the ACLU sucks......

You just made a new friend with that comment!

Bonham

I think this is a case in that if we have to explain why its bad to make a video game out of blowing JFK's head off and into his wife's lap, then some people will never get it

Not sure about the people who think this is an ok game and that there's nothing wrong with it, but my point is if people are truely outraged by this then there are a lot of other things out there they should have problems with that don't seem to be worried about.