SACD - alive, well and growing

F1nut
F1nut Posts: 50,665
edited May 2005 in Music & Movies
More good news from the SACD camp.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=13089405

At the Polkfest I heard some dishearten news about Sony's involvement in SACD, but this article certainly dispels what I heard.

http://www.sa-cd.net/shownews/31

Time for you folks sitting on the fence to get on the bandwagon! SACD is great stuff and unless you try it, you'll never know what you've been missing.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by F1nut
    More good news from the SACD camp.

    http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=13089405

    At the Polkfest I heard some dishearten news about Sony's involvement in SACD, but this article certainly dispels what I heard.

    http://www.sa-cd.net/shownews/31

    Time for you folks sitting on the fence to get on the bandwagon! SACD is great stuff and unless you try it, you'll never know what you've been missing.

    I've had about as much as I'm gonna take of this BS. I'm outta here.

    F SACD
    F DVD-A

    I'm going back to 8track.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    "Following this theme, Mr. Kazutomo Enomoto, President of SME Japan addressed plans for his company to release a wide range of music from different genres on SA-CD."

    That statement says otherwise.

    EDIT: Since Mark edited his post this one doesn't make much sense, but then again neither did his original post. :D
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited October 2004
    Listed at sa-cd.net now totaled 2,500 titles worldwide, although I know of some that aren't listed.

    Columbia/Sony announced Aerosmith's "Rocks" is coming to SACD after Christmas this year.

    Oh, there're also the upcoming Eric Clapton, Elton John, and Carpenters SACDs.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2004
    Excellent news Jesse. I would think that if they made all of the disc "hybrid" it would help sales. But what do I know???

    I enjoy the "punch" of clearer highs, deeper bass with the SACD discs.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    Yeah Ted, perfect sense. Actually, that's what Sony said they were going to do along time ago...still waiting on that one.
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited October 2004
    Jesse,

    There's an interesting article in Rolling Stone this month about CD sales. Walmart (ack!) accounts for 20% of industry retail sales - combined with Target and Best Buy the total is nearly 35% and rising quickly. They are putting extreme pressure on the industry to lower the price of all CD's to under $10.

    This could be creating a real dampening effect on Sony, and other major labels, expansion and development of enhanced medium technologies.

    Mike
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    Just another reason to burn down every frickin Walmart store!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited October 2004
    Let's take lots-o-gasoline, they're opening 57 new stores this month alone.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited October 2004
    nah, gasoline is too expensive right now, how 'bout kerosene?

    Jesse,
    on the topic of SACD, I bought the SACD version of Manhattan Transfer "Vibrate", great recording! As a matter fact, the surround mix is so good that I would say it would be one of the reference (I know you are more of a 2ch. guy) surround. Btw, it comes with regular hybrid format: cd layer, 2ch. hirez layer, and 5.1 hirez layer. Highly recommended!
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • therockman
    therockman Posts: 349
    edited October 2004
    My friend Brian Moura owns and operates SA-CD.net and I can tell you that he puts a lot of time and energy into making sure that the listings are correct and up-to-date. As for Wal Mart, I am a Wal Mart associate and I do not appreciate any negative remarks about Wal Mart.

    Rocky Bennett
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited October 2004
    Stephen Best is the webmaster/owner of sa-cd.net and Brian Moura runs theQuadraphonicQuad forum. Brian, besides writing for highfidelityreview.com also has his own personal website on which he tracks multi-channel SACDs released around the world.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    That's going to leave a mark! :eek:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by therockman
    As for Wal Mart, I am a Wal Mart associate and I do not appreciate any negative remarks about Wal Mart.

    Rocky Bennett

    :eek:
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  • therockman
    therockman Posts: 349
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Danny Tse
    Stephen Best is the webmaster/owner of sa-cd.net and Brian Moura runs theQuadraphonicQuad forum. Brian, besides writing for highfidelityreview.com also has his own personal website on which he tracks multi-channel SACDs released around the world.


    Of course you are obviously right Danny, me and you hang around with the same group of guys over at Steve Hoffman's place.

    Rocky
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  • therockman
    therockman Posts: 349
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by F1nut
    That's going to leave a mark! :eek:


    I'm a big boy now and I can admit when I am wrong!!!

    Rocky
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    I'm glad to hear that and I'm a big enough boy to stand by my disgust for Walmart!!!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • therockman
    therockman Posts: 349
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by F1nut
    I'm glad to hear that and I'm a big enough boy to stand by my disgust for Walmart!!!


    To each his own. For me Wal Mart pays the bills, (barely).

    Rocky
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2004
    More SACD news, http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12377501


    Here's a few highlights:

    Upcoming SACD Releases from Sony Music
    "That being said, there has been interest in what is coming from Sony Music in the future in terms of Super Audio CD releases. Checking with the label I was told that "Sony Music will continue to identify, schedule and release SACD titles. More current SACD releases are coming soon as well as catalog titles from Herbie Hancock, George Benson and Stevie Ray Vaughan."

    While I didn't get specifics from Sony Music about the catalog title SACDs and the ones coming from the artists mentioned above, earlier SACD catalogs have mentioned still to be released Surround Sound SACDs including Future Shock by Herbie Hancock, Body Talk by George Benson and a Surround Sound SACD edition of Couldn't Stand The Weather by Stevie Ray Vaughan (the latter title having been released earlier as a Single Layer Stereo SACD by Sony Music)."


    Upcoming SACDs from Pink Floyd and Norah Jones?
    "Prior to the start of Surround 2004, rumors abounded that work has begun on 5.1 Surround Sound remixes of the Pink Floyd albums Animals and Wish You Were Here by their producer and engineer James Guthrie. There was also talk that the current Norah Jones album Feels Like Home might also appear in SACD Surround Sound in the coming year. Given that the current Surround Sound SACDs by Pink Floyd (The Dark Side of the Moon) and Norah Jones (Come Away With Me) have racked up strong sales figures certainly gives credibility to the rumors."


    Things don't look good for Dual Disc, IMO.......

    "While the officials from Warner Music, Capitol/EMI and Universal Music at Surround 2004 didn't offer a specific figure, they did concede that Dual Discs will not play on "some" CD and DVD players now on the market. They also noted that each Dual Disc release will carry a disclaimer that indicates that the disc "may not play on a limited number of models". Whether this becomes a significant issue or not will be an interesting area to watch when these discs arrive on the market in the near future."
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited October 2004
    There're also 7 Moody Blues SACD coming early next year, not to mention Genesis.
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  • TechChallenged
    TechChallenged Posts: 106
    edited October 2004
    Nine Inch Nails, The Downward Spiral [Deluxe Edition] [HYBRID SACD] releases on November 23.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2005
    From the official website of Genesis....

    Work to start on Nursery Cryme 5.1 SACD
    13th April 2005

    Nick Davis will start work on the 5.1 re-mix of the classic Nursery Cryme album at The Farm on Thursday 14th April. A visit is planned to see what Nick is up to and, hopefully, to find out progress on the digitising of the Genesis archives currently in progress.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2005
    Geez, there was quick....

    From Genesis' official website....
    Nick Davis has completed work on the 5.1 SACD remix of the early Genesis classic 'Nursery Cryme'. In about ten days he will start work on a similar re-working of the 'Foxtrot' album.

    Click on above link for more details.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited May 2005
    i was just thinking how it's a darn shame that a someone like sony is the babysitter of SACD.

    imo, this wonderful format would be in much better hands of a company like Marantz, or the like.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2005
    Sorry, but that's simply a ridiculous comment.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited May 2005
    is it dorkousi?

    a smaller company with less marketing skills but actually gives a damn about the format?

    or a huge company with great marketing skills that does absolutely NOTHING to push it? and not only that- is hopping onto the Dualdisc bandwagon?

    i don't think it's ridicolous. far-fetched maybe, but so is Sony's excuses for being a lame supporter of their own format.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2005
    If not Sony, the future of the format should (and will) be in the hands of software companies and not a hardware co. Sony is the most logical since they produce the software and hardware. I think it has been well established that the vast majority of the consuming public could give ratsass about Hi-Rez. MP-3 (or it's successor) will be king. If SACD survives it will be as a high end, niche market. Sony will probably keep their hands in, producing the hardware since they are the originators of the format but it is of little interest for thier mass market philosophy. It should be noted that Sony's "high end" Japan only division is producing some pricey SACD stuff which further indicates to me that even Sony realizes that SACD is only going to be a limited production format.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by aaharvel
    imo, this wonderful format would be in much better hands of a company like Marantz, or the like.

    I seriously doubt Marantz (or its parent company, D&M Holdings, which is also the parent company to McIntosh, Denon, and Rio) has enough market clout to establish and sustain a format. I think one can count on the fingers of one hand the number of companies in the world that can do such a feat....Matsushita (Panasonic/Technics)? Sony? Philips? Not even up-and-coming companies such as Samsung can do it. Perhaps Apple Computer.... :rolleyes:

    Sony is still producing high-end SACD players (stereo-only models, no less) and companies such as Sherwood, through its Newcastle line, has just introduced universal players that gives SACD buyers another choice in hardware.

    I really don't know what's happening with Sony Music here in the US regarding SACD releases. Sony Music Japan, which isn't a part of the BMG/Sony merger, is continuing to release SACDs. And while Universal hasn't released any pop/rock SACD titles since the Carpenters SACD, it has released several classical SACD within the last month. Maybe it's the music consumers of this country?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2005
    Aaharvel - You made the exact comment neccesary to make my point...."far fetched".

    North American marketing is killing the formats, and I agree in the fact that Sony has been extremely unresponsive when it comes to this issue. The Qualia line is not going to save SACD.

    The public has not been targeted aggresively for SACD or DVD-A to really become affective. There is too much new format confusion to pin down a resolution right now. That fact, coupled with the fact that most people don't give a damn is what's hurting things even further.

    I'm actually suprised you didn't plug HK in that response as your agenda on the forum has been pretty clear to me from day one.

    You should read more about the industry and audio in general.

    DannyTse - Great response, as usual.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited May 2005
    "I seriously doubt Marantz (or its parent company, D&M Holdings, which is also the parent company to McIntosh, Denon, and Rio) has enough market clout to establish and sustain a format. I think one can count on the fingers of one hand the number of companies in the world that can do such a feat....Matsushita (Panasonic/Technics)? Sony? Philips?"

    Danny and Dorokusi, of course you're right- i'm just venting my frustrations with the format and it's creator- like i'm sure many have on here.

    And Dorokusi, why the hostility?
    Last time I checked, this was a DISCUSSION forum. I bring up H/K when the thread creator asks about a subject related to it, such as receivers and amps.

    I also favor brands such as Denon, Marantz, Nad and (lol) Sony STR de597's.

    Why don't you harp on the people on here that support SVS, HSU, Yamaha, Pioneer Elite, etc. etc. etc. Why just me? Have you never recommended a product over others on these forums?

    I'm just trying to create good conversations- i'm surely not on here trying to start a cat-fight with you on a damn computer. So put away the hostility. If you don't like what I have to say, then don't respond- it's that simple.

    Truce, ok?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2005
    Aaharvel - No hostility, it's just words and I'm not responding to you in order to keep the useful thread alive. Have a good one :)
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