Project: The 'AmpraSid Black Lab'

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,774
edited November 2004 in Speakers
We have had 9 weeks to come up with a shop project, and with the help of Russ I have decided to make a Full Range speaker pair...

Name: AmpraSid Black Lab

Design: Labyrinth, 3 Complete Internal Folds, Square Opening At Bottom

Driver: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-045

I plan to make it black, hence the name, Black Lab(yrinth)...

Probally will wrap it in grill cloth or a do a textured black finish similar to SVS's...the shop teacher knows how to do that...

I plan to keep yall updated with pictures, (from an actual camera) the best I can...

So stayed tuned...
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited October 2004
    This weekend Sid, I'll get your plans done.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Thanks! I ordered the woofers, they ship tommorow!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2004
    damn how many designs you gonna go through?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    This is the final chosen Design...

    Woofers are ordered...just waiting on the time when we are ready to build the project...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    I added this project to my site, you can check there for updates, but I will probally post a few pics here as well...

    http://www.eandr.biz/Vr3_Home_Theatre_Projects_BlackLab.html

    There is the link to the page...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited October 2004
    Why not use a better full-range driver? The high-end on that driver looks a little sketchy.

    Have you checked out www.diyaudio.com yet? Those guys are insanely knowledgeable! They have made a lot of folding horns like you are designing, not that Russ doesn't know what he's doing, that's not what I'm implying. Just trying to provide you with another source for learning.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Because...its cheap...

    The idea for this project is to keep it around 80 bucks.... ah ha

    58 shipped for 2 drivers...20 bucks or so for wood...

    cant beat it...

    This is more or less to get a good grade yet do something I like to do...

    and my mom is funding me on this...so yeah
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited October 2004
    Curses to you Mazeroth!!
    I was just about happy with my Polk system until you go and put diyaudio.com on here for me to check out. People have mentioned it, but with the link right there it was so easy to browse some of the speaker projects.
    I'll try my hardest not to put that as my favorite too so my wife doesn't kill me for trying to overdo things. My WAF has about run out with all the stuff I have bought recently.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited October 2004
    LoL! I've been on that forum for a few months now and I have purchased over 250 drivers since then! I bought 96 of the Pioneer 4" full range drivers for $0.49 each, along with 128 of the $0.48 3/4" Onkyo tweeters and I got 32 of the Vifa 7" buyout drivers for $8 each. Going to be building a few line arrays for myself and my brother :D
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    The woofs are shipped...

    I have been pretty impressed with Pioneer's drivers. They arnt the most accurate or anything...but they can put up with alot of crap...

    The 12" woofers I ordered for my Pioneer towers for the DJ system have been through hell and back again x20...

    Those drivers have filled up about an acre of land with plenty of sound without issues...

    Pretty impressed, none the less.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Mazeroth
    LoL! I've been on that forum for a few months now and I have purchased over 250 drivers since then! I bought 96 of the Pioneer 4" full range drivers for $0.49 each, along with 128 of the $0.48 3/4" Onkyo tweeters and I got 32 of the Vifa 7" buyout drivers for $8 each. Going to be building a few line arrays for myself and my brother :D

    Good luck lining up all those holes. :D
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited October 2004
    I've already built a prototype using cheap 3/4" particle board with 16 of the 4"ers and 24 of the tweeters. The amount of sound they produce is unreal! I had them hooked up to the Sonic Impact $29 digital amp and they were too loud to listen to at about half volume :D
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,960
    edited October 2004
    You all might also be interested in www.fullrangedriver.com and the forum there.

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Woofers arrived, fairly nice, all that I expected...

    Russ, I got da woofers, your turn :D Thanks again, much appreciated
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Ok...

    Price -
    Woofers - 58.00 shipped
    Wood - 20.00
    Glue - 2-3 dollars
    Spray Paint - 6-7 dollars

    FREEBIES!
    Supplied by Shop -
    Screws

    Supplied by Russ -
    dampening material
    internal wiring
    terminals

    If they sound good -

    Grill Cloth, And Other various things, not counted in final cost (right now)

    Total Cost - 88.00

    And to keep all the pictures in one post.... :o

    Wood should be here by late this week/next week...

    *cracks knuckles* and then the fun begins!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    I wont release the plans yet to the public, but this looks amazing...

    Cant wait to see how this thing will sound!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Russ...

    You shoulda seen it today...

    The shop teacher looked at the designs and went...

    "HUH?" He had no earthly idea what it was... :D
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited October 2004
    That's funny.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Well,
    Providing that my shop teacher gets the MDF sheet tommorow, I started yesterday...

    I got the camera to take pics, and after I get done I will get the pictures developed...scan scan scan!

    I am hyped buddy, indeed!!

    Stay tuned!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited October 2004
    The braces inside the speaker...are you going to be angling them downward to aid in the airflow? Every speaker I've ever seen built like this one have the braces angled downward.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Hmm, The plans recomend for straight forwards...

    I could angle them downwards, but from my understanding the concept of the enclosure is to make the woofer think it is sealed, and as the lower frequencies make its way through the tons and tons and tons of polyfill in the first two sections, it will be loaded down and compressed which when released through the big ol port will help the low end considerably...

    But if this will help it (Russ?) - I'll try it out. But heck, with my limited skills when it comes to carpentry...LOL They will probally be angled anyways ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Man today was exciting...haha

    I had this big ol sheet of MDF waiting on me when I arrived in class. Lets just say when he turned us lose...I was literally rocking.

    I got EVERYTHING except one or two minor cuts cut out...

    I also ran out of wood except for like 1 small lil piece, so that is good.

    Thus far, I have 1 side, back, top and bottom on one speaker...

    Russ, I will need those materials soon, so if can ship them out sometime soon, it would be much appreicated. Thanks :D

    I expect to be done by the end of next week with the building part...

    I have a disposable camera with me, and I will be taking picture at the end of each day and in-between different parts that shows the most progress...

    Stay tuned, this is fun... Everyone keeps asking me what size driver, whats it for, is it a subwoofer? WTH are you making?

    Then I got others showing me their woofers and all this mess, very interesting...And amazing how ignorant people are when it comes to audio and how influenced they are by advertisements...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited October 2004
    We're not doing a wave or tapered pipe. NO angles (well, just 90 degree ones).

    Sid, I'll get the stuff out monday.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Thank you sir!

    - Trey
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    I now have both cabinet 'constructed' - all except one brace, which I will have to find a scrap laying around to do...and the sides, which I need to leave off until I get all my materials together...

    Question is, if I use a good amount of finish nails and glue, do I REALLY need to use screws? I had to tear one side off today because I messed up :o and it took quite a bit of force even with wet glue...

    Decisions, decisions...

    I also sealed one enclosure except for around one side...soo....yeah...

    Tommorow I cut out the holes, find a piece of wood for the brace.....then...then...then...I wait on Russ :D;)
    :p :cool: :D:)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Website updated, with instructions and material list...

    I also do day by day updates along with the 'Carpenter Goofs!'

    Haha...anyways, have fun punks!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Today SUCKED! :mad: The circuit breaker in the shop was BROKE and we had no power... I was ready to do some work!!! Jeez!

    Oh well, hopefully tommorow all will be back to normal!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Today...

    I cut out one hole (almost freakin PERFECT)!!!

    I sealed one speaker, I am waiting on one lil scrap piece so I can put the final piece to one enclosure...

    Sucks though, Some how one piece was cut to short by a half of an inch...so I gotta make a 1/2" piece to put there...dangit
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Well...

    Today was fun! :o

    First, I cut out the last hole, and all was going well till the blade broke on the jigsaw! EFFER!!!!

    So then I go get a different jigsaw, different design, etc - and the dang thing cut in such a way that I couldnt see the line, etc that I was trying to cut by, so obviously the circle looks like utter hell, but isnt TOOO bad...

    Then, the shop teacher gives me the scrap piece to finish my internal bracings...Since today definetely was going wrong, of course the piece had to be to small or it wouldnt match the rest of the day...

    So then, in no mood to pester the teacher, I just cut a scrap and glue/nail it down. Turns out the table saw is out of alignment and it cut wrong, I had to sand it down....

    Then, I gotta put another scrap piece on the other brace that was cut to short...

    It took me 1 hour + to do this...freakin nuts...

    However, it turned out very good!

    The next few days I will be sanding stuff down...

    In the mean time!....
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited October 2004
    Well today we only had about 30 minutes to work...

    but I did get one speaker sanded down completely to smooth out the edges....Infact, it is PRACTICALLY a perfect seam (IE: No seams)

    The second one though is far from perfect, or being close to perfect...I will work on that monday....

    Very close to completeing this build (structural wise) - there is still the audition, then possibly 'finishing' it if it sounds good...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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