denon avr5805 specs

drakan

here are some specs/pics on their new flagship $6000 msrp



http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/denonAVR5805features.php

Toxis

There is a god...

PolknPepsi

That thing looks big enough to walk around on it's own!

Talk about an all in one chunk of electronics.

..............Pat

PolkWannabie

And I can't think of anything I'd rather spend $6k on then a receiver ...

hamzahsh

$6000 for a receiver!:eek:

What a waste!

Mazeroth

Dumb. I pity the guy that had to solder all the connections on the back of that thing, if they don't have a machine do it.

"Hey Timmy, we need you to...yeah...quit working on your umm...database...and help the guys in umm...manufacturing, solder all the uh...connections on the 5805...yeah... That'd be GREAT."

Early B.

This receiver is a great example of the term, "overkill." I'm sure it has good build quality, but the first thing I'd change out is the flimsy power cord.

drakan

some closeups of the monster are on the denon site

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2


drakan

Toxis

Two questions...

1. For the people who would spend the money on this beast, why would they even jack around with Composite video??

2. For the people who would spend the money on this beast, why would they want/need 4 VCR inputs?

A slight overkill on the inputs IMO. The 10ch. amp that's assignable. HUGE thumbsup from me!

dholmes

I have Denon products, love them! but that THING is UUUGGLLYY!!!!

brettw22

Doesn't that look virtually just like the big ol Sony ES line that's out?

mantis

Toxis

1. For the people who would spend the money on this beast, why would they even jack around with Composite video??

The Denon upconverts everything to component for one connection to your monitor.If they have older sources that have composite as there best video connection, then this can support it.

2. For the people who would spend the money on this beast, why would they want/need 4 VCR inputs?

believe it or not, alot of people still like vcr.Some have 2 or 3 of them.Some use the vcr as a audio recording devise.Having 4 vcr inputs gives you loops.Some people get very nutty with gear, having 8 to 12 different or a mix of sources.Crazy but it happens.

Denon has been making crazy receivers like this for there time periods.Nothin new here and I expect nothing less.Moster of a receiver and I'm sure it will sell.

Find any seperates that can do what this thing can do.You will not find a more loaded feature machine.This is king of the hill and Denon always finds thereselves there.

Sound quality is a totally different story.

O'Shag

ah, the 5805-

Denon's hurried response to Yamaha's sneak attack, the RX-Z9, which was almost two years in R&D. The Z9 retails for $4,500 and Denons 5805 will set you back an additional $1,500.00. The recognizable difference is that the Denon has 4 zones compared with Yammies 2, so the Denon can power systems in 3 additional rooms as opposed to one.

Even at $6k this receiver offers exceptional price performance ratio (The Z9 offers a better ratio I think). The $6k may seem steep, until you compare this processor with the super expensive multi-channel processors out there, which are just not nearly as good value for money as the two super receivers by Yamaha and Denon. The Yamaha has 9 seperate Burr Brown 192khz/24bit DACs, one for each of the nine channels! Thats amazing processing power.

Perhaps I shouldn't offer this comment because I own the Z9 and am perhaps a little biased, but I honestly believe the Yamaha is a better processor than the Denon, because its widely recognized that Yamaha's DSP technology is the state-of-the-art. The Yamaha is beautifully built also.

From my own personal experience, for pure two-channel audio hi-fidelity (even in multi-channel the fronts are the most important), neither the Yamaha nor the Denon can match really good seperates. In fact they are outperformed by a considerable margin. The two super recievers' real forte is in multi-channel processing power. When used as a processor to support multi-channel music from sources via the i-link connection, then driven by hi-fidelity audio preamps and amplifiers for the front channels, they can take audio reproduction to a very high level of performance, and bring incredible flexibility to enhance the HT experience also.

Toxis

Originally posted by O'Shag
Perhaps I shouldn't offer this comment because I own the Z9 and am perhaps a little biased, but I honestly believe the Yamaha is a better processor than the Denon, because its widely recognized that Yamaha's DSP technology is the state-of-the-art. The Yamaha is beautifully built also.

Sure the Yamaha has a better DSP processor but only because no one else wants to sink that much money into a technology that no one uses! Do you honestly sit around and say "I wonder what this CD sounds like in "Some Random French/Italian Church Sound Field?" "Hey, German bathroom... MY FAVORITE!" Sorry but DSP's are worthless and 98% of the people who buy recievers never use them. THANK GOD TO! Even if you don't put it in a DSP mode, you are still running it through the processor. Now here's something about Yamaha. They had to go in and set a DSP field for 2ch. stereo. How clean can it HONESTLY be if you had to process stereo sound instead of making a cleaner/simpler connection from the inputs to the amp? I used to sell Yamaha for over 2 and a half years and I couldn't stand them. They never sounded good to me. Very flat and lifeless...and this was even on their RXV1.

cdubya

Agreed toxis. I dont know of anybody who uses dsp soundfields, regardless of brand. They're just a waste of space

O'Shag

I love the soundfields. 192khz/24bit DACs processing such soundfields as:
Music Video Pop/Rock
Music Video DJ
Music Video Classical/Opera
Music Video Pavillion
Movie Theatre Spectacle
Movie Theatre Hi-Fi
Movie Theatre-Adventure
Movie Theatre-General
THX Cinema
THX Ultra2Cinema
THX Surround EX

more than a hundred others

The Z9 is a very different animal than Yamaha has ever previously had on the market. Re-architected from the ground up. For a start it has the most massive power supply ever seen in a receiver. I used to own a Denon 5800 and was a loyal Denon user. For a processor I was originally looking at the 5803. The Yamaha was just better in most every regard. Perhaps previous Yamaha models were not so good, I can't say for sure, but the Z9 is a stellar product. Just read the reviews. Its already been dubbed 'The Mother of All Receivers'

Suggest looking at the specs, and auditioning one.

Toxis

Again, why would you want to alter your sound from how it was recorded/supposed to be listened to? All they do is add noise. But hey, if you're happy, glad to hear it!

faster100

Not for critical listening, But to have alittle fun and hear something different i like the jazz or concert modes... plain ol 2 channel straight sound isnt always what your in the mood for.. pure pure isnt everyones cup of tea, all the time anyways... I like my dsp's as well... although when im listening critically i use my 2 channel rig not my ht receiver anyways..

brettw22

****...........for 6k buy 2 B&K 507's and wire your house like you're never leavin........Denon's ok at their $1000 price point, but 6x that is out of their respective league IMO. (i know they have the 4000 and 5000 series as well..... but they're more well known for their $1200 and under models.

O'Shag

Actually Brett,

I do agree with you, to a point. The 6k can buy you much better sound in some respects, but again it really depends on what the individual is looking for and what they have already. If I had no seriously good audio hi-fi gear, and had 6k to spend, well actually 5k street price will probably be closer to the mark, I would probably opt for one of the lower cost receivers which do offer excellent processing features, and will take care of the multi-channel requirements. I would then fork out for a good used preamp and amp. Then look at a really good set of speakers.


Denon/Yamaha Reciever $1200.00
Used audiophile preamp $500.00
Used McCormack DND amp $700.00
Hi Quality Polk HT/Audio Speakers $2000
NAD 541 or Arcam CD player $600.00
Presume already have interconnects
Total $5,000.00

But as I do already have some good kit, I opted for the Yamaha RX-Z9 and I paid a street price of 3,900 for it. By the way, If a serious processor is what one is looking for, you generally get what you pay for. Given the above scenario, I still wouldn't kid myself that the $1,200 receiver is as capable as its larger sibling.

brody05

I guess it would look better in gold. No worries with the 4 ohm LSi's though. What a monster!!!

I reckon there is a rather large diff between the flagship Denons and there $1200- line and Im quite happy with my AVCA1se, compared it to a mates Plynius and there was very little between them, in two channel pure direct it is very comparatable to a lot of two channel amps, some may disagree, but I guess it depends on the speakers and hey if you buy the amp for the speakers your running or vice versa, you buy one that suits your own tastes ey, sounds great to me and I have an NAD 218 and previously owned Parasound seperates, so its not just an uneducated opinion stemmed from ignorance. It is however still only an opinion, others will disagree.:p

Toxis

But the 5805 was originally developed for people who want to run 2, yes 2 seperate 5.1 setups off one receiver. Next year, they're coming out with a new remote to put in the second room that does all functions needed. Kinda nice if you don't want to spring for a second receiver for the bedroom or something... Just a thought.

O'Shag

Originally posted by Toxis
Again, why would you want to alter your sound from how it was recorded/supposed to be listened to? All they do is add noise. But hey, if you're happy, glad to hear it!

Toxis, I beg to differ. If all DSPs just add noise, then why do so many audio enthusiasts who've already invested significantly in excellent seperate systems buy these super receivers as processors? I think that if you were to listen to many of the different DSP modes in my system, which has 11 speakers, and some pretty decent sources and power, you might reconsider your opinion of DSP technology. DSP is not just about putting acoustic effects on recordings, its also about optimizing or enhancing the signal output.

Yes, a function of certain soundfields is to manipulate the recording to provide acoustic options according to a particular space, such as the Toilets in Cologne Catherdral. But many of these DSPs are very effective at restoring or enhancing the signal output from the source device. Have you ever tried Dolby Prologic2X? One thing it does exceptionally well is to decode two-channel information and re-code it into multi-channel. Surprisingly it generates a very smooth multi-channel image that could easily be mistaken for native multi-channel material. It does work better on some recordings than others, but this is to be expected. The importance is the flexibility is there. Have you ever listened to the movie-theatre DSP modes on the RX-Z9? Sounds awesome.

VR3

Just a receiver...



Yamaha has the best DSP section of em all, nothing computer about their 'effects' - all real...

They set them up through the R-E-A-L thing...