Home Theater Projectors
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Mazeroth where did you get the idea that SONY doesn't make a CRT XBR tv?Sooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it.
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I'm really not getting what your point was. The standard TV that you were saying as using "tube" technology uses the exact same technological principles as a CRT HDTV. All that changes is the res. For a flat screen, they just create a variable focal length for the gun. But for all that, you were saying that they are different technologies...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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Your really back-pedaling now!!!
I have ran front projection for about 5 years and now I own one the BEST rear projection units on the market - haven't seen a Plasma that can beat it yet.......
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nothing really, but thanks for your opinion.Sooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it.
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Only a couple menbers on here own FP systems. Thier are many inexpensive projectors on the market. The "electronic" screen is going to cost more than the projector at your price range. I was running a 12 foot screen in my HT. Really pushing the WOW factor inwhich to me is the fun of FP. But to get the best PQ you would have to set back atleast twenty feet at that size.
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Originally posted by scottvamp
But to get the best PQ you would have to set back atleast twenty feet at that size.
Or you could use an HTPC and crank up the resolution on the PJ... But of course that option is more in the $25K range and I only include for the sake of being a smarta$$ :cool:There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Or you could sell it and buy one of the best 65" HD Widescreens on the market - I am a SmartA$$!!!!:D
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So you would recommend that one over a 65" DLP at the same price?There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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Ohhh yes!!!
Reasons:
1)They are more expensive
2)Ramp up times
3)Fan noise
4)Costly Bulb replacement
5)Reliablility issues
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Eliminate 1,4, and 5... Never heard the fan noise one before... Going to have go play with the demos some more...
So just reasons 2 and 3 are good enough... I'll look into it...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Right now I'm looking at the Sanyo PLV-Z2, its pretty good. I've found some good deals at projectorpeople.com, and ebay has a few to.
thanks
arufenerSooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it. -
I had the Sanyo PLV60HT - now the 70. Nice unit - bit pricey for many people. Real nice quality unit.........
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what you think of the Z2Sooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it.
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It is a very hard projector in its price range to beat. Sanyo has some of the BEST LCD technology in the business. For me projectors are all about size. You can go really big. The PLV70 is going to cost 2 to 3 times more and the largest benifit is the light power. If you have a dark room the Z2 is a mighty fine unit for the price.
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I'd just like to comment, since i've worked in the business for a few years untill recently.
As it stands now for Picture Quality alone i'd consider the following.
Plasma (Pioneer/ and Elite Televisions)
RPTV (Toshiba HX and Hitachi S series)
DLP
LCD
The first thing one has to realize is that most of the TV's you've seen in your life have been setup horribly. Even using Video Essentials Test discs won't take care of the manufactuers Kelvin ratings. Out of the box, RPTV's have a color push. Either RED, BLUE or GREEN. Toshiba for instance has a HUGE RED push out of the box. The only way to rid of this push is to have an ISF calibration setup. And put the KELVIN rating back to the reference standard of 6500 K. This is the core tempature of the TV. Sony TV's have a blue push etc...
An isf calibrated TV will at first appear to be very VERY dull. In fact In showrooms most consumers would pick all the TV's over the 1 set that was actually ISF calibrated at first. They thought the proper TV was dull and lifeless. The reality is most images we see are dull and lifeless. The first thing you should look for in a calibrated TV is grey scale. The task of trying to get accurate colors lies in getting proper grey scale. Contrast, brightness can not be acheived untill grey scale is correct. Once that has been set, you will have a TV that will NOT be rivaled by about 90% of the TV's consumers own. After awhile you'll laugh at people that have color push's on their TV's and wonder how on earth you watched bad grey scales for so long. RPTV's are meant to be setup like Film. When you go to the movies the actual FILM (first print) is wonderfull. It's smooth, ultra smooth...but seems pale and grey. That's what you're going after with ISF.
With that in mind, a RPTV is an excellent TV at this moment. Calibrated it shows almost no motion artifacts during high speed playback using Hi resolution sources. This is one of the draw backs of both DLP and LCD RPTV's. Motion artifacts are usually present at all times. The picture is sharp, but in fact too sharp. Contrast levels are affected as well. Some would suggest DLP and LCD TV's have much higher contrast. When you actually LOOK at the picture though, after a few minutes you might notice that the DLP/LCD TV's seem 2-D and the RPTV is more 3-D. The background appears deeper and more lifelike.
It is these two variables that prevent LCD and DLP being the best TV's on the market today for Picture Quality. Plasma (the higher priced stuff) offers even better picture quality then RPTV because of both actual resolution and better grey scale levels.
Two last things in closing.
1. Remember a person pushing DLP or LCD will NEVER EVER acknowledge the two faults found in DLP or LCD. Untill of course the following year model comes out and they "improve" on problems that didn't exist. In fact if you ask a Samsung or Sony REP about this years new lineup, the key features are improvements on the two problems I just explained. Yes the problems that didn't exist last year...or at least you weren't told that existed.
2. The price points of TV's have dropped. Companies and Retailers really want to sustain set price points of old, DLP and LCD is a way to get there. They will do everything in their power to ensure the consumer gets the latest and greatness (sometimes at the expense of the truth) and most don't know much about the weaknesses, in reality, they don't have too, its not good for business. DLP and LCD will improve without doubt. In fact 3 years from now, or even 2 you might see a DLP that rivals an older Pioneer Elite RPTV or Toshiba HX series TV in all regards. The reality is, we aren't there yet. And as a consumer, if you can deal with the bulkier set, that won't last as long, but will give you a better picture, at half the price...you might consider a RPTV a real steal. -
EXCELLENT post Lush......Thanks for the info.....
Also said MUCH better than the "YOUR STUFF ALL SUCKS COMPARED TO MINE" attitude some insist on spouting.....comment comment comment comment. bitchy. -
Originally posted by jdhdiggs
Or you could use an HTPC and crank up the resolution on the PJ... But of course that option is more in the $25K range and I only include for the sake of being a smarta$$ :cool:
Besides, the PQ on HTPC is quite poor in comparison to quality standalone DVD player. I only play region free discs with my HTPC (with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro), the ones my DVD (Denon DVD-1600) cannot play. Much, much better PQ with the Denon. Even my old Sony magazine gives slightly better PQ than the HTPC.
Next in line is setting up games for my friends 9" Sony CRT. I wish had his FP instead of my 7" Seleco. His Sony and my audio, that would make a very nice HT... -
Your statements may fall on many deaf ears - Lush if your talking to me then you should know WE are on the same boat except i am 'PRO' Front Projection. HomeTheater is NOT 100% about picture quality. It s about creating a true movie experience at home. I do not care how great a 27" LCD panel looks - its not going in my dedicated HT.
My 65" Tosh is so clean it hurts my eyes at times. FP can give a feeling of true FILM quality.
arufener, is SOLD on front projection and so IS 80% of the dedicated HomeTheater (room) industry.......... -
yep... got that rightSooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it.
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Thanks.......
Let us know what you end up getting!!!!!! -
I will, it will be a few weeks thoughSooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, there's a difference between knowing the path...and walking it.