Thoughts on a possible REL upgrade.
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I am wondering what type of music you are listening to that requires this much low frequency reinforcement.
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Ok so how many subs do you have???
I love it you are really close to that 16 subwoofer benchmark we should all strive for
Awesome pics and good looking room!
Yeah a room that size suits me well for my combo HT/ 2 channel system.
Only 4... quite a ways to go to hit 16 & that's not figuring how many more I'll need when I get around to adding Atmos speakers. I think I need a bigger room.! Lol!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
I am wondering what type of music you are listening to that requires this much low frequency reinforcement.
Hey Drew,
The S812 is the only one dialed in for 2 channel listening. It also pulls double duty in HT along with the other 3. I do enjoy my HT!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Makes sense! If explosions don't cause your foundation to crack when watching a movie at reference levels you're doing it wrong!
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16 will allow you to crack your neighbors foundations though, just saying- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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The single S812 in my two channel system is set up to be subtle and blend. My separate home theater system takes advantage of the ability of my S510 pair to have the speaker leavel connections and the LFE connections. Now I'm getting tempted to add a third but smaller subwoofer for the center channel speaker just using speaker level connections.
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The single S812 in my two channel system is set up to be subtle and blend. My separate home theater system takes advantage of the ability of my S510 pair to have the speaker leavel connections and the LFE connections. Now I'm getting tempted to add a third but smaller subwoofer for the center channel speaker just using speaker level connections.
A T/7x would be perfect for that application. Don't forget to set the mains & center to large in the AVR. You want them running full range for the full effect."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Makes sense! If explosions don't cause your foundation to crack when watching a movie at reference levels you're doing it wrong!
Never happen, I had a 3' thick Audiophile grade concrete foundation poured to withstand a nuclear blast. Subs are a piece of cake!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Are both the LFE input and high level inputs active at any give use case, or is it one for music and the other for HT?I disabled signatures.
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Are both the LFE input and high level inputs active at any give use case, or is it one for music and the other for HT?
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The high level inputs allow the main L/R speakers (or any others) to take advantage of the filter in the connected subwoofers with the speakers set to large rather than small in the receiver/preamp. The LFE inputs in the subwoofers are only active with LFE content (the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1) for movie or multichannel audio soundtracks.
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The high level inputs allow the main L/R speakers (or any others) to take advantage of the filter in the connected subwoofers with the speakers set to large rather than small in the receiver/preamp. The LFE inputs in the subwoofers are only active with LFE content (the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1) for movie or multichannel audio soundtracks.
Ditto!
It was very interesting setting up the one 7x for the center speaker. For this application the high level is used, no LFE. I set the level in the AVR using pink noise to 75db so it was level matched with the other speakers. Now I had to adjust the high level by ear. The XO & gain adjustments were instantly audible in the sound. It went from thin sounding to too beefy. Even the slightest adjustment made a difference. After about 20 minutes of tinkering everything fell into place beautifully. The center now sounds like a full range speaker & makes a remarkable difference in the front sound stage compared to its previous setting of small & XO set to 80hz.
I'm curious if other manuf. allow for both high level & .1 LFE to be run simultaneously. My previous VELO SPL 1200R subs has both connections but the manual was very specific in stating DO NOT use both together, it was one or the other.
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In my "limited" experience, the last part was the majority. You could not have both connected.I'm curious if other manuf. allow for both high level & .1 LFE to be run simultaneously. My previous VELO SPL 1200R subs has both connections but the manual was very specific in stating DO NOT use both together, it was one or the other. -
Curious, for real. How does that drop ceiling handle all those subwoofers? Mine vibrates like crazy with just one SVS. I'd love to know if there is a trick to control that.
Of course, my area is a fair bit smaller for the theater.
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Curious, for real. How does that drop ceiling handle all those subwoofers? Mine vibrates like crazy with just one SVS. I'd love to know if there is a trick to control that.
Of course, my area is a fair bit smaller for the theater.
How hot are you running the sub? Maybe your SPL is way too high. I never had any issue with any sub/subs vibrating the drop ceiling."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
I try to match the Dolby Cinema experience 🤣pearsall001 wrote: »Curious, for real. How does that drop ceiling handle all those subwoofers? Mine vibrates like crazy with just one SVS. I'd love to know if there is a trick to control that.
Of course, my area is a fair bit smaller for the theater.
How hot are you running the sub? Maybe your SPL is way too high. I never had any issue with any sub/subs vibrating the drop ceiling.
No, not really, I have the sub level matched with a test tone/pink noise. Some movies just shake the walls and ceilings, like Blade Runner 2049. I noticed some of the bottles in my bar were moving closer to the edge of the shelf after that movie!
I think it was worse at my old house, but in hindsight, more of that noise came from the old florescent light fixtures. I took those all out of my current house and just have the shallow 1-piece LED cans which are silent as can be. After that swap, I think I pinpointed the air vent as a source of rattle, so I put some old dynamat on the back side of that. Vibrations are minimal now, but I'm not sure if that would be true with all those RELs in my room.
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I try to match the Dolby Cinema experience 🤣pearsall001 wrote: »Curious, for real. How does that drop ceiling handle all those subwoofers? Mine vibrates like crazy with just one SVS. I'd love to know if there is a trick to control that.
Of course, my area is a fair bit smaller for the theater.
How hot are you running the sub? Maybe your SPL is way too high. I never had any issue with any sub/subs vibrating the drop ceiling.
No, not really, I have the sub level matched with a test tone/pink noise. Some movies just shake the walls and ceilings, like Blade Runner 2049. I noticed some of the bottles in my bar were moving closer to the edge of the shelf after that movie!
Drink 'em... problem solved 😦
What db level do you run the sub at? I'm happy with 75db on the SPL meter. That's plenty explosive effects for my listening taste.
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If I drank them...then I guess I wouldn't have anything left to drink? Not ideal.pearsall001 wrote: »I try to match the Dolby Cinema experience 🤣
No, not really, I have the sub level matched with a test tone/pink noise. Some movies just shake the walls and ceilings, like Blade Runner 2049. I noticed some of the bottles in my bar were moving closer to the edge of the shelf after that movie!
Drink 'em... problem solved 😦
What db level do you run the sub at? I'm happy with 75db on the SPL meter. That's plenty explosive effects for my listening taste.
I don't know what dB level the sub hits for peaks. I guess that would depend on the Volume setting for the receiver. Like I said, I level matched the other speakers using a RS sound meter and the pink noise with the receiver set around -15 on Volume. I think it is trimmed to -6 compared to the mains. I typically run the receiver volume around the -15 to -8 setting during movies to get the dialog at the right level. I'm sure that leads to peaks in excess of 95dB.
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It looks like you have things dialed in pretty good. Hitting peaks of 95db could be the culprit causing the issue with the drop ceiling."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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pearsall001 wrote: »It looks like you have things dialed in pretty good. Hitting peaks of 95db could be the culprit causing the issue with the drop ceiling.
It is supposed to be a Theater, right? 95+dB is part of the experience. Believe me, the volume doesn't approach what I hear in my local Dolby Cinema.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
Local imax and atmos is borderline an aural assault fit for torture
Top gun easily peaked over 120db- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
pearsall001 wrote: »It looks like you have things dialed in pretty good. Hitting peaks of 95db could be the culprit causing the issue with the drop ceiling.
It is supposed to be a Theater, right? 95+dB is part of the experience. Believe me, the volume doesn't approach what I hear in my local Dolby Cinema.
Maybe bits of 3M tape at the corners of the acoustic tiles to bind them lightly to the frame?
Then again, you'd end up with a cumulative air leak possibly resulting in reduction of SPL.
The only other solution is to build a tuned port through an exterior wall. 24-36" diameter, unobstructed ought to do it. You'd have to experiment port tube length, constructed of OSB, composite deck boards, or taped together Amazon boxes. Pretty sure this would solve the tiles issue, though.I disabled signatures. -
Local imax and atmos is borderline an aural assault fit for torture
Top gun easily peaked over 120db
I suspect the worm riding scene in Dune 2 was at that level too. It was almost...almost too much. In another 10 years, I will probably say that was too much...For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
pearsall001 wrote: »It looks like you have things dialed in pretty good. Hitting peaks of 95db could be the culprit causing the issue with the drop ceiling.
It is supposed to be a Theater, right? 95+dB is part of the experience. Believe me, the volume doesn't approach what I hear in my local Dolby Cinema.
Maybe bits of 3M tape at the corners of the acoustic tiles to bind them lightly to the frame?
Scott, I think more noise comes from the metal/metal connections in the tile grid, not from the tiles to metal interface. Actually, I think I recall hearing more coming from inside the walls and from glassware in the bar last time I walked around during a heavy low bass segment. Overall, it is greatly reduced from years past. I think the real winner was wrapping back of the air vent in dynamat. The grid in my current theater is square too. My old house was rectangular and I think the longer spans caused more flex/noise.
I was just curious if Phil had any issues, but it sounds like he doesn't. It also sounds like even with 4 subs, he listens at a bit lower level than I typically do (for movies).
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Re: the frame and walls - yeah, could even be a combination of wall vibrations acting on the ceiling frame grid indirectly where it's fastened or touching the walls?
Dynamat everything. Don't be an underachiever.I disabled signatures. -
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