Local Pioneer DV 09 CD player
kevhed72
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Yes this is a DVD player but I would be using for CDs. From what I can tell these were massively overbuilt in the day and are pretty solid transports. The DACs are probably outdated but that's just another reason to but more stuff lol. Thoughts...anyone ever own one of these?
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Yes this is a DVD player but I would be using for CDs. From what I can tell these were massively overbuilt in the day and are pretty solid transports. The DACs are probably outdated but that's just another reason to but more stuff lol. Thoughts...anyone ever own one of these?
Nope (to answer your last question), but otherwise I am 100% in agreement. Fire it up and listen to it "naked" first (i.e., see how the on-board DAC & analog output sound), then hook it to a good DAC of your choice. Go with whichever configuration you prefer.
EDIT: Oh, one thought. I've found some DVD players that are loath to play a burned CD-R. Generally, they've been Sonys. Maybe this isn't a factor for anyone in 2024
but I still sometimes spin a CD-R or two, so that's something I check out, too.
If the price is right -- why not?
My example isn't meant to be a paragon of anything (except of opportunism), but I've been perfectly happy with it. Heck, with my recently-acquired (new-to-me) preamp, I can even use the DACs balanced analog outputs.
The Bryston DAC (a BDA-1) was, as some may recall, a karma by our old friend and comrade @Blufox.
The Denon DVDp is, of course, nothing special, but the price was right, and my marantz CDP was getting skippy when I did the swap. It seemed to me, comparing the two head-to-head as transports only, that the Denon "sounded" better than the marantz. I cannot rationalize that, but it did help me rationalize making that particular swap.
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I wouldn't spend too much on one of these older DVD players. If the laser goes bad, it might be a paperweight/anchor. I got out of the disc spinning game and just rip everything to my server now, but the last few players I used were dedicated SACD players. I had laser issues with several Denon DVD units prior to that.
Ultimately, I decided if I wanted a CD player, it would be one that has a common and easy to replace laser unit. To figure that out, you generally need to dig into the service manual. I can't recall the exact model, but there was a Philips pickup that was inexpensive, widely available, and easy to replace.
Some discussion here:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/most-reliable-laser-units-optical-pick-up-working-in-vintage-cd-player-only-for-linear-tracking.395584/
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The guy wants 270 for it, but my thoughts are more like 200 since there is no remote...I wouldn't spend too much on one of these older DVD players.
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I was thinking 50 or less. Pass. People have inflated ideas of value on some of that older Pioneer stuff.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
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Pass, unless it's less than $80. I've bought Pioneer bluray uni players for far less and newer than that DVD player
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I disagree with what was said above. I use to Install and sell the DV-09 back in the day. It's a beast of a player and a wonder CD player, not worrying about the DAC's inside. I think back then they were using Burr Brown.
Anyway it's big, it has side panels and it's pretty heavy. Nothing like anything built lately.
If you can get it for a good price and it works, I would buy it all day. It was a $2000 player back in the day when they built them right. So $270? Yeah if in great shape yes.Dan
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I disagree with what was said above. I use to Install and sell the DV-09 back in the day. It's a beast of a player and a wonder CD player, not worrying about the DAC's inside. I think back then they were using Burr Brown.
Anyway it's big, it has side panels and it's pretty heavy. Nothing like anything built lately.
If you can get it for a good price and it works, I would buy it all day. It was a $2000 player back in the day when they built them right. So $270? Yeah if in great shape yes.
"back in the day" you say....
But there were people buying that model for $200 10+ years ago, then selling for $100 later when they were done. There are threads from 2012 on Audiogon about that model. At this point, it is 25 years old and doesn't offer much other than a really solid build. I'm sure a laser replacement is unobtanium.
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=VWY1046
Unless someone wants to have a circa 2000 Pioneer collection for the nostalgia, I don't think its worth the money. Maybe that's just me, but I am not keen on buying something that has a known point of failure that can't be replaced. I don't like paperweights. I already have an Onkyo A-9555 that is a paperweight, but luckily I was refunded for that.
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I disagree with what was said above. I use to Install and sell the DV-09 back in the day. It's a beast of a player and a wonder CD player, not worrying about the DAC's inside. I think back then they were using Burr Brown.
Anyway it's big, it has side panels and it's pretty heavy. Nothing like anything built lately.
If you can get it for a good price and it works, I would buy it all day. It was a $2000 player back in the day when they built them right. So $270? Yeah if in great shape yes.
"back in the day" you say....
But there were people buying that model for $200 10+ years ago, then selling for $100 later when they were done. There are threads from 2012 on Audiogon about that model. At this point, it is 25 years old and doesn't offer much other than a really solid build. I'm sure a laser replacement is unobtanium.
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=VWY1046
Unless someone wants to have a circa 2000 Pioneer collection for the nostalgia, I don't think its worth the money. Maybe that's just me, but I am not keen on buying something that has a known point of failure that can't be replaced. I don't like paperweights. I already have an Onkyo A-9555 that is a paperweight, but luckily I was refunded for that.
My post was my opinion and IF I wanted a DV-09 and it was working, in good shape with no remote, I would pay $270 for it. Hell it could last another 20 years or break tomorrow.
Anytime buying anything used , it could go. It's the risk we take.Dan
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There were definitely some models with -- so to speak -- glass lasers (as in glass jaws on boxers). Weak points. I have no idea if the titular Pioneer is one or not.
I do know that the menagerie of really cheap CD and DVD players that have accreted here all work fine (at least with respect to their laser pickups). There are a few with balky door (or drawer
) mechanisms.
One of the few "good" (ish) players here, a Nakamichi OMS-7, is one of the models notorious for failure of an unobtanium laser ****'y. The one here works, but I live in fear of actually using it, as by all anecdotal accounts its days as a functional player are very numbered.
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I've owned that Pioneer model for years and thought it sounded great. It's hooked up to a huge Pioneer receiver from its same era. I paid 100.00 for the DV-09 and it came with its remote.
I still have this set up just like it is.
That man's system was AWESOME.
The owner had 2 of them. He sold the second one a couple of years later. I could've bought it too for 100.00. I forgot if it had a remote also. I just didn't want another one. Maybe I was buying chess sets during that time.
The guy who bought it tried selling it instantly and I think he's still trying to sell it for 200+ years later.
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@kevhed72 I don't know if you are still in the market for a disk spinner, but I have an Oppo BDP-103 that I'd make you a deal on. I upgraded to the UDP-203 and don't use the 103 anymore. Send me a PM if you are interested. I have the original box, remote, and everything else that came with it.Sources: Technics SL1200MKII | SME3009 Tonearm | Monster Alpha 1 MC cartridge | Oppo UDP203 disk player | Nikko NT-790 analog tuner | Musical Fidelity Trivista 21 DAC | Preamp: Threshold SL-10 | Amplifier: Threshold Stasis 2 | Speakers: Snell Acoustics C/V | Kimber 12-TC bi wire speakers | Analysis plus Oval 1 preamp to amp | Wireworld Eclipse 7 DAC to Preamp | Wireworld eclipse digital IC Oppo to DAC | Audioquest Quartz tuner to preamp |
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I owned a DV 09 for many years and gifted it to my late dad. I got it back and sold it at the time I think for about 450 with a slightly cosmetic damage on the door. It was a amazing piece.. I think I paid maybe 1400 and used it for awhile. If you can get it for 100 might not be a bad risk. Just imo. Built like a beast and the DACs are great. I still think my Rotel outclasses it and if I remember it for the time it was an amazing sounding piece. But for 100 I don’t think you could go wrong. I wouldn’t personally spend 200 or more for it. Much better stuff nowadays imo. And of course no replacing the laser. Hope this helps dude
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Many moons ago we compared a denon aacd player to sever competent rebook players and the rebook players always smoked it, even against sacd
Never saw the appeal- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Say what?sever competent rebook players and the rebook players
Several?
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Trey is sober...please forgive him. Can't quite grip things like normal....
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Several basketball players wearing Reeboks.
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We compared several redbook players to a sacd denon player back in the day.
The redbook players were better in basically every aspect to the denon player and that was with the denon playing the sacd layer while the redbook players played the redbook layer.
Never saw the appeal.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
That's more like it! Agreed. Natural Sound is just marketing hype IMO.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
SACD can be much better than Redbook, but it depends on the SACD player and of course, the mastering.
Do not base your opinion of SACD or even Redbook from listening to a Denon player.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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BTW Trey doesn't even drink. I was kidding. Well, he does but his "drink" nowadays is "Daddy duty". Nothing wrong with that at all.
But still, his post was funny....Trey wrote:Many moons ago we compared a denon aacd player to sever competent rebook players and the rebook players always smoked it, even against sacd
Do WHAT son? 😀
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Not knocking sacd
But definitely knocking the denon player... It truly was no where close- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Not knocking sacd
But definitely knocking the denon player... It truly was no where close
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I don't, it was a model that was being called a giant killer.
The cd players we compared it to were not in a much higher class
If I recall we compared it to the rega Apollo, shanling cd100 and a jolida- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Probably the overhyped Denon 2900, which in reality sounded terrible.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Probably the overhyped Denon 2900, which in reality sounded terrible.
I had a Denon 2900, it wasn't great for audio, and I don't recall it ever being called a 'giant killer' but maybe the later model 3910, which sounded pretty good at the time (for a universal DVD/SACD player). I had one of those and it was much better, but the laser was finicky. None of the universal players that I came across ever sounded anywhere as good as the dedicated SACD players like my Sony SCD333ES or Pioneer PD-D9.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
TRUTH ! ^^^None of the universal players that I came across ever sounded anywhere as good as the dedicated SACD players like my Sony SCD333ES or Pioneer PD-D9.
I had both Denon players 2900/3910. The 3910 was a much better player both the 2900 and 3910 used the same laser built by Hitachi and cost $10 brand new in the box. That same $10 laser was used in the 5900/5910 models. -
TRUTH ! ^^^None of the universal players that I came across ever sounded anywhere as good as the dedicated SACD players like my Sony SCD333ES or Pioneer PD-D9.
I had both Denon players 2900/3910. The 3910 was a much better player both the 2900 and 3910 used the same laser built by Hitachi and cost $10 brand new in the box. That same $10 laser was used in the 5900/5910 models.
Right about the laser cost. I actually replaced one in my 3910. I remember it being picky about some discs even after replacement.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
I purchased a Denim 3910 from member here 8-9 years ago & not one problem. It replaced my 2910 which I still have on another system. I've had good luck/no complaints with Denon Sony HK..
