Wayne's Audio Outer Ring & Clamp

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    edited November 2023
    msg wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Aluminum needs to be clear coated to prevent things like fingerprints. There are a number of products for that purpose, but I have no personal experience with any of them.

    The guys that refinish/restore car wheels would be a good source for coating info.

    I wonder if the VPI rings are sealed/coated as I don't recall hearing folks complain about those showing fingerprints.

    Hey Jesse, I had to double-check to be sure, but the rings are machined from #304 stainless steel.

    I wonder if those stainless appliance cleaning sprays would help reduce fingerprints.

    Ah, not sure why I thought they were aluminum.
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  • bcwsrt
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    Could be my fault. I think I mentioned billet aluminum somewhere along the way here. It has the appearance of billet aluminum, for sure. I'm kinda surprised it polished up as well as it did being stainless.

    Just to be clear, I'm happy with my purchase. The cosmetics notwithstanding, the clamp and the ring are well-machined pieces that function as advertised.

    The SQ improvements for me are pretty subtle. Vocals that are clearer and a bit more forward are primarily what stick out to me. I think the Degritter provided a bigger step change than the clamp and ring, but it is really cool and satisfying to see that tonearm be so rock steady. You think you don't have warped records until you realize they all are, to at least some extent.

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Sony CDP-508ESD CD player (as a transport) | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
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  • Keiko
    Keiko Posts: 764
    WHOA! You kids have been busy in here. Didn't expect this to turn into such a great discussion and good info on polishing. To be honest, I almost didn't post my pics because of all the dust & fingerprints. Had no idea how filthy my gear was and I tend to dust and keep my turntable covered with another vinyl dust cover when I'm not using it.

    I hate to do it, but looks like I'm gonna have to break down and get one of these to keep my gear in tippy top shape.

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  • Keiko
    Keiko Posts: 764
    edited November 2023
    aprazer402 wrote: »
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    Apply green marker liberally to edge. Will greatly increase clarity and widen imaging. :)






    I kid, I want a real one!


    That's some funny stuff right there. I wonder if they actually fit? If they do, lets buy some and sell 'em on fleabay for $200.00. Who's gonna know? Lol!

    Nah, jk fellas. I could never do that to anyone. Not even them clowns over on audioholics. . . Hmmm, on second thought. . . >:)

    Brian, I had the opposite experience with mine. What I noticed most and it wasn't subtle was improved bass, separation and focus. I quess everyone's ears are different and again, it's all subjective.

    After you polished your ring, did that help with the sound quality at all? I think Scott is right. You need to allow more time for break in. I began to notice the improvements after 20,000 rotations or so. Just give it more time and you should start hearing those differences soon. I did notice on my ring that it didn't like Steely Dan records. It's very temperamental and especially hates Madonna LPs. ;)
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  • msg
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    F1nut wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Aluminum needs to be clear coated to prevent things like fingerprints. There are a number of products for that purpose, but I have no personal experience with any of them.

    The guys that refinish/restore car wheels would be a good source for coating info.

    I wonder if the VPI rings are sealed/coated as I don't recall hearing folks complain about those showing fingerprints.

    Hey Jesse, I had to double-check to be sure, but the rings are machined from #304 stainless steel.

    I wonder if those stainless appliance cleaning sprays would help reduce fingerprints.

    Ah, not sure why I thought they were aluminum.

    Cause they're grayish and shiny? lol
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    Keiko wrote: »
    After you polished your ring, did that help with the sound quality at all? I think Scott is right. You need to allow more time for break in. I began to notice the improvements after 20,000 rotations or so. Just give it more time and you should start hearing those differences soon.

    I did notice on my ring that it didn't like Steely Dan records. It's very temperamental and especially hates Madonna LPs. ;)
    See?!? it's not just me on Steely Dan records!!! lol

    lol 20k rotations. and they need to be accurately counted. hence, @aprazer402 's green marker

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    msg wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Aluminum needs to be clear coated to prevent things like fingerprints. There are a number of products for that purpose, but I have no personal experience with any of them.

    The guys that refinish/restore car wheels would be a good source for coating info.

    I wonder if the VPI rings are sealed/coated as I don't recall hearing folks complain about those showing fingerprints.

    Hey Jesse, I had to double-check to be sure, but the rings are machined from #304 stainless steel.

    I wonder if those stainless appliance cleaning sprays would help reduce fingerprints.

    Ah, not sure why I thought they were aluminum.

    Cause they're grayish and shiny? lol

    That must be it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 1,877
    msg wrote: »
    Turns out mine wasn't as clean and shiny as I thought! After seeing your before and after shots @bcwsrt, I took a closer look at mine. It didn't have a manufacturing coating on it, but it wasn't clean polished. It had a haze of a sort, so I took to a quick polish on it using Cape Cod polishing wipe, follow-up with clean cloth, turning until the cloth was clean. Finished up with Renaissance Micro-Crystalline Wax Polish, since you mentioned it. I need to order my car care products. That was a good idea finishing with the Adam's Graphene.

    Still gets finger and hand prints on it! but it's slick and easier to wipe off.

    I'm gonna start calling you Golem, for your love of shiny, precious things.

    I don't think I'm picking up as many fingerprints with the Renaissance on my clamp. Maybe you need to put down the fried chicken and movie theater popcorn while you're spinning your vinyl, Scott?!

    Not sure about the Adam's-treated ring yet, really. I use the alignment tool to handle it, so I only touch the backside of it. Top and side is staying nice and shiny, so far!

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Sony CDP-508ESD CD player (as a transport) | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,398
    Keiko wrote: »
    I recently acquired the Wayne's Audio outer ring and clamp for my Technics SL-1210M5G and was impressed by the improvement. Mostly talking about the outer ring, but the clamp is an awesome piece as well. I've been using Joe's, Vulcan Death Grip Clamp for several years now, but the one I got from WA is very nice. It doubles as a clamp and has some heft to it at 2lbs.

    Anyway, it's the outer ring I think that makes the most remarkable difference and it isn't subtle either. I immediately noticed better, tighter bass, more air between the instruments which produced a bigger & better sound stage and the sound is much more focused.

    Anyone else own & use an outer ring on your table and have similar results? They're a bit pricey, but worth every penny IMHO. Both of these pieces are quite weighty, but haven't affected the speed on my Technics. It rock solid still at 33.3rpm.

    I'll post some actual images later. Keiko's been having some lower back issues for the past couple weeks and I just got the 2023 remaster of Aja that I still haven't spun yet. Regardless of this back ache I wanna spin this album asap and will take the opportunity then to take some pics.

    For now here is the link from Wayne's Audio for anyone interested.

    https://www.waynesaudio.com/shop

    Cheers!

    I checked out the link for Waynesaudio, I read through this thread, and by golly, I reconfirmed WHY I'm not diving down the LP rabbit hole.

    "Hey, have you seen Geoff??? I heard he was living on the street!"

    "Yeah, he bought a turntable."

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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,492
    edited December 2023
    I use Mother's mag and aluminum polish on my Lenco platter. FWIW, after trying many others, I still use and prefer the Boston Audio carbon graphite record matt.


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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,492
    edited December 2023
    The folks in Canada mentioned, Larry Denham of TTW, Turntable Weights. I had one of his heavy ring and weight kits. Wouldn't fit on the Lenco (air bearing arm pedestal too close to platter), so I sold it. I considered lengthening the arm and relocating the pedestal (even purchased some carbon fiber tube) but went with the manufacturers mounting template.

    Web site still up (2021 relaunch) but no periphery rings.

    https://ttwaudio.ca/


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  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 1,877
    edited December 2023
    Very nice, Rich! I will look into the Boston Audio carbon graphite record mat. The OE rubber Technics mat seems to attract a good deal of debris and dust. Appreciate your insight into an alternative.

    Hope all is well!

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Sony CDP-508ESD CD player (as a transport) | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
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