polk cs400i

joe logston
joe logston Posts: 882
edited January 2002 in Technical/Setup
the right way to put your center speaker; set your center channel speaker vertigal instead horizonal it will sound a lot cleaner have a deeper sound stage , just thank about it would you lay your main speaker on its side. put the top of the center channel speaker to the right. try it you will like, get back to me and tell what is the difference is. thank you, joe
. rt-7 mains
rt-20p surounds
cs-400i front center
cs-350 ls rear center
2 energy take 5, efects
2- psw-650 , subs
1- 15" audiosource sub

lets all go to the next ces.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2002
    hahahahahaha

    It is DESIGNED to lay horizontal.......

    I love the 'put the top of the center channel speaker to the right'. Why not the other way? Does this apply to all centers, or are only Polk owners this lucky?

    thank you,

    Horguste Hameflan
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • Aaron
    Aaron Posts: 1,853
    edited January 2002
    I hear marijuana is pretty fashionable these days. Care to confirm or deny, Joe? :p

    Aaron
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  • TrappedUnder Ice
    TrappedUnder Ice Posts: 975
    edited January 2002
    Whats vertigal? is that like the cs400i's vertigo???? just curious..cause now I'm realy cumfussed
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  • joe logston
    joe logston Posts: 882
    edited January 2002
    top to the right because the cs400i the right woofer is a med woof and the left is a full woofer os i like to have the center channel full woofer on top because i have sub woofers on the floor it work that way i spent a lot of time on set up a lot thank you,
    . rt-7 mains
    rt-20p surounds
    cs-400i front center
    cs-350 ls rear center
    2 energy take 5, efects
    2- psw-650 , subs
    1- 15" audiosource sub

    lets all go to the next ces.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2002
    Pete? Is that you?

    R

    'with the center channel vertigal, there is no need for option'
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • presidan
    presidan Posts: 116
    edited January 2002
    ????

    Euh, is that true !?!?? I've never heard or seen a center speaker in the vertical position
    Does that mean that i can buy the cd1000i now because it has allways been wider than my TV ??!!
    LOL!
    How weird would that be
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  • juice21
    juice21 Posts: 1,866
    edited January 2002
    :confused:
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  • joe logston
    joe logston Posts: 882
    edited January 2002
    ok take the new ls9i lay on its side and put on your tv it is about the same as the cs400i see what i mean you didnt try it so how would you know ok go lay all your speakers on there sides if you like it that way sorry about hitting the wrong key on vertical. thanks
    . rt-7 mains
    rt-20p surounds
    cs-400i front center
    cs-350 ls rear center
    2 energy take 5, efects
    2- psw-650 , subs
    1- 15" audiosource sub

    lets all go to the next ces.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited January 2002
    I've never heard of such a thing.. is that even legal in the USA to place your speakers in the vertical position? What if the speaker police come to my house? then what? :D
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  • mjk91383
    mjk91383 Posts: 298
    edited January 2002
    :p:p:p:p:p:p

    joe :D
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited January 2002
    I am currently using my RT55i's as a center channel. They are laid on their sides on top of my 61" TV. The RT55i manual states that they can be oriented vertically or horizontally.

    My speakers are butted up against one another with the tweeters oriented toward the outer ends. I like the sound of this arrangement better than the CS400i. I don't think this would look good unless you have a large TV. Also, I am running the RT55i's connected in parallel (nominal 4 ohms impedance). If your amp is not comfortable driving low impedance loads, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.
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  • OrangeToupee
    OrangeToupee Posts: 488
    edited January 2002
    Television is best watched from behind without any connection to the VCR while watching video cassettes on their sides (check manual) try it it works good I did it. When watching tv don't look straight into the screen, it is exactly what they're expecting you to do, try it this way I did it. RT800i sounds best after you strip the wood clean of it, improves soundstage I read that on website and did it works great and is designed specifically for this purpose. Also, remove one of the two mid drivers for more clarity and place it inside the television but don't look at it directly in the screen for better sounds will come out from it I did it sounds is perfect.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2002
    According to our bud Joe, you should place them upside down so the 'full woofer' is on top, and then place them next to each other.

    4 ohm nominal? Explain your connection if you don't mind.

    Did you wire first to one, then to the other?
    Did you use a bi-wire cable to hit both speakers?
    Did you wire the + speaker cable to rt55 #1 positive, then run a wire from rt55 #1's negative to rt55 #2's positive, then out of #2 negative to the amp negative?

    Just curious.... you do have impedance options here...

    Cheers,
    Russ

    I take it you tried the 'conventional' center setup, with the tweeters in the middle and did not like it? You know, to kind-of anchor the sound to the middle, not so broad....
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • TrappedUnder Ice
    TrappedUnder Ice Posts: 975
    edited January 2002
    Joe.. you have to remember ...there are no "Absolutes" when it comes to audio.. Just cause your center sounds better to you the way you have it...does not mean it will to me... in my room or setup. It may be perfect for you... but every envirioment needs its own design
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2002
    I'm all frigged up now.....I set my DQ-10's vertically but, OK, that surely has the whole phased array thing screwed up, so now what do I do? The only thing I hear different is Wendi bitching about them being uglier than before. I certainly cant invert them completely without crushing them. Maybe these speakers do suck and I was just misinformed. I should have known that the dudes that design these things are morons.

    And what about the amp? shouldn't I reposition that as well? Certainly the way it is could be improved...

    We listen and we wait, but we may not believe you.

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited January 2002
    My speaker cables are terminated in spades. I connected the + end of the speaker cable to the + terminal of RT55i #1 and the - end of the speaker cable to the - terminal of RT55i #1. Then I went to dinner.

    After dinner, I took a 1 meter length of speaker cable that was terminated in bananna plugs on each end. The + of speaker #1 was connected to the + of speaker #2. The - of speaker #1 was connected to the - of speaker #2. After all this I was tired and it was time for bed. When I listened the next day with fresh ears, I noticed a wonderful glow to the sound that just wasn't there with the CS400i.

    By the way, the upper and lower binding posts of each speaker are connected with speaker wire. Wire sounds better to me than the straps that come with the speakers.

    I did try both ways, tweeters in vs. tweeters out. I liked the tweeters out arrangement better.

    The manual does not recommend this, but I tried them with both RT55i speakers facing the rear wall in order to see if I could realize an increase in ambient sound. I don't recommend this arrangement. Sounded kinda muffled. Then I tried them with one RT55i facing towards the listening/viewing position and one facing the rear wall. I was going for that Bose "direct reflected sound. That was a little better than both facing the rear wall, but not by much. :p

    Happy experimenting.;)
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  • joe logston
    joe logston Posts: 882
    edited January 2002
    most centers speakers have there drivers horizontally, this is a vary bad design, they do this for looks only, the design in you get lobing and uneven frequency responseas you go further left 0r right from the center (sweet spot) you can see this with speaker test where they show the change in frequency response. the ideal is 3 of the same speakers identical to each other,two mains, one center, but if you lay the center horizontally you lose your timber matching so thats why i suggest that you can put your center channel vertically you will get a closer tember match. i know that it will look kinda funny but if you want better sound this is one way to do it, thak you, joe
    . rt-7 mains
    rt-20p surounds
    cs-400i front center
    cs-350 ls rear center
    2 energy take 5, efects
    2- psw-650 , subs
    1- 15" audiosource sub

    lets all go to the next ces.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2002
    The CRS was a bad design? My DQ-10's are a bad design? If you turn it on it's side wouldn't you in theory just be changing the angle of the flaws? If I am reading your thesis correctly, the speakers aren't timbre matched because the drivers are not placed the same....but turning a center on it's side doesn't solve this because the tweeter isn't in the same place.....

    Just for fun this evening, I turned my 400i on it's side, I noticed no improvement in sound.

    Troy
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • ntculenuff
    ntculenuff Posts: 1,146
    edited January 2002
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::p
    my center is just too big to stand it up vertical...
    although in the manual that came with it it does show using 2 cs350ls standing virtical on each side of a tv for stereo center..
    just my 2 pennies but i dont think placing your speaker vertical or horizontal actually changes the sound just puts it in a different spot..the tweeter is still in the middle no matter what direction you put the speaker...
    Speakers:
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    Definitive C/L/R 3000 center
    Polk RT800i's rears
    Definitive supercube I Sub
    Audio:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010
    Emotiva XPA five Gen 3
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  • mikemokr
    mikemokr Posts: 150
    edited January 2002
    dont diss joe for being punctuation-challenged his provocative ideas inspired me now i have achieved audio nirvana by standing on my head while listening i think its becuss of all the bloodflow to my brain (see manual) the imaging is dynamite who needs sda thaks mike

    EDIT: Poster's remorse. Didn't mean to ridicule. It's just that run-on sentences make me irrational.
    Main HT (family room): Polk Monitor 7 (1987-original owner) (L/R) / CSi40 (C) / RTi38 (SL/SR) / SVS 20-39PC (sub), Outlaw 975 pre/pro / Outlaw 7075 amp, Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray, LG 42LM5800 teevee
    2ch (family room): CRS+ (1987), Outlaw 1050 AVR, Denon DCM-420 CD
    Kitchen satellite 2ch: Polk M3II, Topping TP-20 Tripath amp fed from 975 rec line out
    Home office: Model 5 (1978-Danish Peerless), Lepai 2020A+ Tripath amp fed by laptop dock
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited January 2002
    raife1
    your speaker is in series and not parell series adds the restance and parell lowers it your center is 16 not 4

    has anyone tryed running there tweter out od phase on there center it makes it sound a little brighter to me
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited January 2002
    goingganzo

    Nope, they are in parallel. + is connected to + and - is connected to - for the two speakers and the speaker cable. Draw a picture of what I described in my post. Series connected is this:

    + lead of the speaker cable connected to the + terminal of speaker #1, - terminal of speaker #1 connected to the + terminal of speaker #2, - terminal of speaker #2 connected to the - lead of the speaker cable.

    The DC resistance of the configuration in my previous post is 2.5 ohms. :cool:
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