The Arcam AVR30 has landed...

nooshinjohn
nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
edited December 2021 in Electronics
I am still in the process of getting it set up, but it is immediately clear that the Arcam AVR30 is a game-changer in my rig. It will easily do the job of my Pass Labs X0.2, The DAC in the Arcam is also sounding better than the PS Audio... More to come as I play with this some more, but be on the lookout for some more stuff being listed in the flea market... :p
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • Gerres26
    Gerres26 Posts: 852
    I know that Arcam is a pricey pre/pro but that’s surprising that it’ll compare favorably to that Pass pre if you’re talking purely 2 channel listening.
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 16,748
    Seems you’re downsizing a little John, but trying to do so without compromising much in quality of sound. Nothing wrong with change. Have fun!!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,897
    You'd be surprised at just how good some of these high end pre pros can sound for 2 channel. Most have some higher quality parts/dacs in them and with an abundant amount of connections.

    I've always suggested , on the cheap, some older SS high end pre pros make excellent 2 channel listening. Anthem AVM 20- Cary cinema 11 or 12, Classe, and a bunch others.

    John, listen for a few weeks, then put the old stuff back in and see what ya see. Sometimes we construe the sound as "better" when it just may be "different". Regardless, comes down to what tickles your fancy. Good luck playing
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    Gerres26 wrote: »
    I know that Arcam is a pricey pre/pro but that’s surprising that it’ll compare favorably to that Pass pre if you’re talking purely 2 channel listening.

    I would not have thought it possible before I tried it either, but the differences are extremely small. I think it comes down to there being fewer steps in the chain from source to speaker, and keeping things in the digital realm longer before going through a DAC. Also, the Arcam has 15 years of advances over the Pass, and the DAC section is ten years newer than the PS Audio.

    The AVR30 takes two channel audio over HDMI from my computer without anything else in the signal path, and does the same for two channel coming from the Oppo.
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    Seems you’re downsizing a little John, but trying to do so without compromising much in quality of sound. Nothing wrong with change. Have fun!!

    You are correct. I am trying to get rid of as much extra gear as possible while maintaining a very high level of performance. The Arcam takes an overcrowded system and reduces it down to just two boxes, plus my computer, and a spiderweb of cables down to just two HDMI runs and two power cables.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,897
    Funny you should mention a "spiderweb of cables". That is the single complaint, well main complaint, the wife has about higher end audio....alll the frickin' cables.
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 1,905
    Yea, my wife hates the cables too.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 27,880
    Congrats on the change John!

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,897
    Just curious John, what made you want to make this change anyway ? Just to shake things up or the old gear wasn't a good match for the new speakers ? New year new you and all that ?
    HT SYSTEM-
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    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    tonyb wrote: »
    Just curious John, what made you want to make this change anyway ? Just to shake things up or the old gear wasn't a good match for the new speakers ? New year new you and all that ?

    I have too much gear in my stack of stuff. Things were just getting way over complicated and cumbersome to use. The other benefit of making these changes is that I am able to put a large chunk of money away to pay off debt. After moving some of the gear that’s no longer needed, I will be in a better position to be able to get a new vehicle for my family. It’s also fun to be able to try new gear from time to time.

    The L 800s also appear to like the change. I expected that would be the case because the L 800s are designed to be used in a Hi-Rez system.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    ....and the Arcam experiment is dead. It lost communication with the DSP board, which in turn, feeds the HDMI pathways. Basically it is a brick, and Best Buy will not replace it with a new one.

    Back to the drawing boards. :'(
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,472
    Time to get a full refund and try something else. Sorry bro.
  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,476
    What WILL Best Buy do?
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    maxward wrote: »
    What WILL Best Buy do?

    Send it back to Arcam, and I can wait three months...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,472
    edited December 2021
    Ridiculous. More like WorstBuy.
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Time to get a full refund and try something else. Sorry bro.

    I am more than a bit bummed out by this. The Arcam was doing an exceptional job as a two channel pre when it went down. I had not been able to run Dirac yet, and I think that is where it would have really pulled ahead for both HT and two channel use.

    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,472
    edited December 2021
    Is there an equivalent product from a competing manufacturer? Anthem? Rotel? JBL Synthesis?

  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,463
    Return & re-buy? Or did you get it at an exceptional price?
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Return & re-buy? Or did you get it at an exceptional price?
    $2600.00 off
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    edited December 2021
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Is there an equivalent product from a competing manufacturer? Anthem? Rotel? JBL Synthesis?

    The JBL Synthesis is the same thing with an added Dirac sub management program, and a 9k retail price... Rotel is an option but is not quite there with two channel.

    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,897
    Call Arcam direct, see if they can swap it out.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 16,748
    Sorry to hear that John, take Tony’s advice, call them direct..
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    tonyb wrote: »
    Call Arcam direct, see if they can swap it out.

    Arcam CS only operates through Email, unless I want to call the UK on my dime for a company that is headquartered 10 miles from me...

    Best Buy's solution was to give me their functioning store demo for now, so I am back up and running. Everything is working like it should.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,928
    tonyb wrote: »
    Call Arcam direct, see if they can swap it out.

    Arcam CS only operates through Email, unless I want to call the UK on my dime for a company that is headquartered 10 miles from me...

    Best Buy's solution was to give me their functioning store demo for now, so I am back up and running. Everything is working like it should.

    I called and talked to arcam CS with no charge fwiw…
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    rooftop59 wrote: »

    I called and talked to arcam CS with no charge fwiw…
    I will look for their number...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,602
    Arcam reliability has always been a problem.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,602
    The L 800s also appear to like the change. I expected that would be the case because the L 800s are designed to be used in a Hi-Rez system.

    Sorry John, but LOL.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    F1nut wrote: »
    The L 800s also appear to like the change. I expected that would be the case because the L 800s are designed to be used in a Hi-Rez system.

    Sorry John, but LOL.

    No offense taken Jesse... the Arcam is sounding better than the Pass Labs right now., and I have yet to run Dirac. I am leaning towards getting the extended warranty from Best Buy, because at least then my investment will be protected at replacement value for 5 years, rather than waiting on factory repairs.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,335
    If the extended warranty is a standard Best Buy Geek Squad one they may not really do anything for repairs other than sending it for a factory repair as long as the 5 year factory warranty is in place from Arcam. Their warranties are supplemental insurance coverage for things like power surges.

    I used to get their four year extended warranties for big screen TVs that only had a one or two year factory warranty. Worked out well for me a couple times!
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,897
    F1nut wrote: »
    Arcam reliability has always been a problem.

    yep, and has kept me away from buying even used gear from them. Things could change though, one hopes, but Johns experience says otherwise.

    Best buy sucks, and I'm being nice. If they go out of business tomorrow nobody would shed a tear. I just went through a whole thing with them over a new TV . I got my coin back though, even though it wasn't their policy to do so.
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    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,908
    So far, the Arcam continues to impress, and as a side benefit, I have managed to remove a huge portion of my cabling that no longer serves any purpose.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson