Somebody's got some 'splainin' to do.....

treitz3
treitz3 Posts: 19,027
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What in tarnation is this?

Tom
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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    It looks like a smaller model than the Wilson Benesch Resolution that TAS reviewed ($74,500). However, looking at the WB website, I’m not sure if it’s a current model.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,281
    Wilson Benesch Resolution

    Geometry Series 2-Way Electric, 4-Way acoustic, Floor Standing Speaker
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,799
    edited December 2021
    Loudspeaker designer takes a big toke, holds his (or her) breath for a moment, exhales slowly and drawls.
    This'll blow their minds. Install them woofers backwards, man...
    Now, where're the danged Doritos, dude?

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    In (some) seriousness, there are all kinds of whacky alignments as many of y'all know -- push-pull drivers, multi-chambered baffles (cabinets), and whatnot.

    I am sure it's not an example of a minor QC lapse, or medicinal marijuana use, for that matter.
    ;)

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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    Looking at photos of the Resolution on their website, there is a third woofer (an innie) above the two outties in the lower unit.

    http://wilson-benesch.com/resolution-floor-standing-loudspeaker/
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,281
    actually the to bottom outies are 4 drivers in a cone to cone Isobaric config

    1 x 25mm ( 1") Wilson Benesch Semisphere tweeter

    1 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Midrange drive unit

    1 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Upper Bass drive unit

    4 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Isobaric bass drive units
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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    No argument. I read the review with some interest regarding the isobaric configuration. The ask is at least one order of magnitude higher than my limit.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,281
    maxward wrote: »
    No argument. I read the review with some interest regarding the isobaric configuration. The ask is at least one order of magnitude higher than my limit.

    Yeah I needed some more splainin' for myself. Even more info on isobaric driver configs which I only new existed in subwoofer
    Wilson's are above my paygrade too
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,799
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    actually the to bottom outies are 4 drivers in a cone to cone Isobaric config

    1 x 25mm ( 1") Wilson Benesch Semisphere tweeter

    1 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Midrange drive unit

    1 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Upper Bass drive unit

    4 x 170mm ( 7") Wilson Benesch Tactic II Isobaric bass drive units

    Isobaric! I was grasping for the term, but I was too lazy to look it up! Thanks.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
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    This might just be quite possibly the ugliest, cheapest looking, dumbest idea ever for a grill.

    Tom
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,640
    Must be sonus faber
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    GamuT RS3i

    Tom
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,440
    Joseph audio had something similar on one of their lines
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,799
    treitz3 wrote: »
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    This might just be quite possibly the ugliest, cheapest looking, dumbest idea ever for a grill.

    Tom

    Give's the audiophile's house mice a way to exercise. :#

    It's no worse (and no better) than some of the horrific "finger protectors" put on vacuum tube amplifiers nowadays, I'd opine (and FWIW). :|

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    Eh, those I can understand. They are there for safety and shouldn't impact the sound. To have metal in front of the drivers that can radiate excitement when certain frequencies hit, while at the same time? Produce unwanted reflections/refractions?

    I don't think so, Scooter.

    Tom
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited June 2022
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Eh, those I can understand. They are there for safety and shouldn't impact the sound. To have metal in front of the drivers that can radiate excitement when certain frequencies hit, while at the same time? Produce unwanted reflections/refractions?

    I don't think so, Scooter.

    Tom

    Sure the back parts aren't bungie cords?
    That is what Sonus Faber uses...fabric covered rubber bands, essentially. Not like it is any better, just fairly certain that's what they use...

    Edit

    Yup, that's what they be...
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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    Perhaps they were purposely designed so the significant other can say, “Oh, your speakers look so much better without those thingies. Why don’t you leave them off?”
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    Me thinks maybe maxward is onto sumphin' here.... ;)

    To have a metal bar....in front of the drivers (even if off to the sides) will cause reflections and refractions that will smear the imaging. They may not ring with excitement if the bands are kept in place but the bands themself absorb wave energy. Admitted, that (absorbed wave energy) may not be audible but the sound will most definitely radiate off of the metal.

    Gotta give credit where credit is due though. They are ugly....I'll give them that.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,543
    Phil had these AAD 2001 monitors. I had the pleasure of hearing them a few times...absolutely fantastic! No issues with the metal bar grills.

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    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,640
    Those did sound really good
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    Were the grills ever taken off?

    Tom
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  • jbreezy5
    jbreezy5 Posts: 1,141
    Those Gamut tweeters look incredibly similar to some far less costly ones that measure extremely well. 😉
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,543
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Were the grills ever taken off?

    Tom

    No and no need IMO.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    Them’s some serious lookin’ stands!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,543
    maxward wrote: »
    Them’s some serious lookin’ stands!

    The walls of the speakers have lead sheets sandwiched between the inner and outer walls. Heavy MF's.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,577
    The lead is probably a great idea unless you need to move or ship them.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,799
    edited June 2022
    Somebody done whacked them suckas wif a ugly stick, though.
    Yeah, I know... de gustibus non est disputandum... but, still...
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,962
    Primaluna stuff looks better without the cage. Speaking of, they don't get much love around these parts and I'm kinda wondering why.

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    I don't even know anyone who owns a Primaluna anything. Wouldn't mind getting my ears on a unit.

    Tom
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,640
    Mike in greenville runs primaluna
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,027
    Sweet! I'll follow back up with Mark and see if he is still on the road to better health. If he isn't, maybe we can just do a day at Mike's for the next GTG.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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