Canton karat reference 2

VR3
VR3 Posts: 24,491
Stumbled upon these in my work travels Friday, very interesting speaker.

Totally different sound than the utopias

Crossovers are mounted in their own enclosure I side the speaker, weigh 16 pounds! I haven't opened the hatch yet to check them out

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- Not Tom

"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro

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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,595
    I'm digging the baby invasion...
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 3,318
    Very nice! Excellent score there!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    The baby mat works great to damp the floor a bit 😜
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    Heck of a crossover!

    Clarity cap, looks similar to the px series... Mox resistors, nice inductors, not bad at all!

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    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,025
    edited April 10
    Nice. Those would probably cost $20K + if they were built in Germany these days. Looks like a lot of care went into building those crossovers and that costs money!
    1. Polk LSiM-707, LSiM-704C, LSiM-702FX; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A31 and A23 amps; Oppo 205; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 and JC5; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Marantz SA8004 SACD; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Anthem Pre-2L SE; Parasound A21; Sony 48" 4K TV; Wyred4Sound DAC 2; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; PS Audio Power Director 4.7; MIT S3 cables
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,570
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    edited April 11
    Thanks guys.

    The current top of the line runs for 40k retail, which those speakers are quite a bit different than these, but this pricing difference is pretty normal it seems. The mezzo utopia in 03 was 13k, the modern equivalent now is 50k
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • TEAforONE
    TEAforONE Posts: 636
    Very impressive! I bet they sound great. On a side note,I’m curious about the covers on your other speakers. Did you make those?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    I had those made by digital deck covers, they did an incredible job, perfect fit!

    The sound impressions are mixed right now, but I think I need to move the utopias out of the way to get the full jist.

    I can say the grills make them sound down right awful but with them off they can put on a show. Tons and tons of bass and bass extension, that's for sure
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    So finally took a moment to move the utopias to a corner and messed with these more. They need space, huge room...

    I would gather these would really excel in a 20x30x10 room, huge great room environment. They sound best in my room about 3 ft off of the back wall and they just have unlimited amounts of bass, excellent staging. The room is definitely loaded though, just to small for them to really breathe.
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    So after swapping the left and right speaker so the woofers are on the outside, much much better in my room.

    I ordered some clarity cap cmr and path resistors for the tweeter network. Also ordered some outriggers for the front and spikes for the back
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    So I've had these hooked up for a month or so and listened a little here and there.

    I positioned them so that the active bass drivers face outwards, this tamed the bass response in room to normal levels. The thing that really helped was tightening everything, almost every screw needed 5 or more turns! That dramatically helped the midrange to bass transition.

    Overall a good speaker, but definitely don't image like I am used to with the utopias. A very different presentation.
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 580
    I heard their reference speakers a couple years ago in one of the big ballrooms at axpona, I really liked the sound of them.
  • TEAforONE
    TEAforONE Posts: 636
    Are they keepers?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    Will see... I plan to upgrade the tweeter network to the CMR caps and path audio resistors, will see!
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    Need one more resistor and I ordered some parts for the midrange circuit
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    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,491
    Bypass the 150uf cluster with a duelund jdm bypass, changed the series resistors in the kids to path audio, full clarity cmr and path audio on the tweeter circuit...

    Such a huge difference than before

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    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 3,318
    When you're done, and ready to get rid of them... In with 15!
    Cambridge Audio 851N Streamer/DAC
    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Belles 350A Reference modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables


    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January.

    by Dr. Sardonicus
  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 4,475
    edited June 10
    VR3 wrote: »
    Bypass the 150uf cluster with a duelund jdm bypass, changed the series resistors in the kids to path audio, full clarity cmr and path audio on the tweeter circuit...

    Such a huge difference than before

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