Bookie shootout and the coolest remote holder ever!

F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
We had a little fun today/tonight comparing the Polk L200, Polk LSi9 (modded), KEF LS50 and the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR (modded). Each presented a different sound signature with each having their strengths and weaknesses, which was also dependent on the type of music playing. IMO, it's impossible to call one better than the other. Tony or Scott may have a different opinion. I will say that the little KEF is surprisingly heavy and may have the most inert cabinet I've ever rapped my knuckles on.
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The remote holder....well, it doesn't get any cooler.
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  • xschopxschop Posts: 1,732
    Looks like fun. If you could only keep one set, which would it be?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,282
    That is a cool array of loudspeakers to compare -- you'd be the envy of ASR, doin' that. Hey, you could post a review over there (sans Spinorama, of course) B)

    Too bad you didn't have a pair of PE B652-AIR, too. You know, just to anchor one end of the curve. ;)

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    Guess youse guyses needed a piston ash tray, though.


    Oh, one other on-topic musing: Any of youse guyses encountered the new and improved LS50-MAT (with metamaterial technology)

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-kef-ls50-collection-with-new-metamaterial-absorption-technology-mat-coming.16133/

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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,501
    I have heard those Kef LS50's a few times I would like to have a pair.
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 7,424
    edited October 18
    I have owned 2 of those; a modded set of LSi9's (past) and the LS50's (current). I liked both but find the LS50's a bit more to my liking/taste. I found the LSi9's to be a bit tougher to place with their depth and to be a bit bulkier for a bookie while the LS50's are actually quite compact comparatively. I have a set of Usher Mini X Dancers that IMHO are the nicest bookies I have ever experienced but they are like 3X the price. The diamond tweeters are well worth it tho and the cabinets and stands are beautifully crafted.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,488
    Bookie shootouts aren't complete without some observations. Details gents... :)
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,885
    Looking forward to the strength/weaknesses overview.
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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,808
    edited October 18
    Have owned two of the four. Must say, even stock form, those pioneers sound rediculously good for the cash. #1 son uses them now.
  • TopperDudeTopperDude Posts: 137
    whoah what a fun way to spend the afternoon :).

    F1 - give us your thoughts on each one :)
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
    edited October 19
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    I have heard those Kef LS50's a few times I would like to have a pair.

    Talk to MillerLiteScott, his are for sale.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
    Nightfall wrote: »
    6 connecting rods? And you call yourself a red blooded American. ;)

    They're out of a Porsche engine, the block was part of the coffee table. I don't know many American guys that wouldn't want them.
    Guess youse guyses needed a piston ash tray, though.

    No piston ashtray needed, non-smokers.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,907
    Remote holder.... I thought there might be some heavenly cleavage involved there.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,885
    Thank You Jesse
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  • Vette C6.rVette C6.r Posts: 1,550
    That was a good time. Glad we had 4 sets. Just enough to do a real compare and contrast.


  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
    Vette C6.r wrote: »
    That was a good time. Glad we had 4 sets. Just enough to do a real compare and contrast.

    Feel free to add your thoughts.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,550
    Good to hear about the legend l200, something I’m looking at next
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,298
    I’ve also owned two of the four. Currently have modded Pioneers that I bought from Jesse and I once had a pair of LSi9’s. I think they were modded, but I can’t remember for sure.

    I easily preferred the 9’s over the Pioneer’s, but that’s really unfair based on the equipment I used with each and more importantly the room/setup with each speaker.

    Thanks for posting your thoughts Jesse. I hope Tony and Scott share their opinions as well. These are my favorite types of threads.

    Oh yeah...cool remote holder.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
    Paul, rest assured your Pioneers are way better than stock....WAY!
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  • Vette C6.rVette C6.r Posts: 1,550
    edited October 20
    F1nut wrote: »
    Vette C6.r wrote: »
    That was a good time. Glad we had 4 sets. Just enough to do a real compare and contrast.

    Feel free to add your thoughts.

    You were pretty spot on as usual.

    Only thing I'd add is how much the Pioneer's impress me. That 4" ? driver always punches above it's weight. Realizing that they are mooded but when I went upstairs to order the food I couldn't believe it was just them and not additional subs.

    Also it's always good to hear that the LSi9's can still hold up to modern speakers. They aren't prefect but if you can pick them up for the price I got them for they are a no brainer.



    Jesse and Scott also noticed a leak down issue on my 2.3's that I hope to get to soon. They were always a bit bass shy and that would sure explain alot of it.

    Still love listening to them after all these years.
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,476
    Vette C6.r wrote: »
    Jesse and Scott also noticed a leak down issue on my 2.3's that I hope to get to soon. They were always a bit bass shy and that would sure explain alot of it.

    When I was rebuilding the 2.3TLs I ultimately sold to @gudnoyez I found a large gap in the "inner" cabinet in both top back corners of both cabinets. There was maybe 1/8" inch and it ended up being the single biggest issue with the bass on those particular speakers.
    I used Loctite Power Grab, pressed into those gaps and then clamped up the tops of the cabinets to true everything up while the Loctite dried.

    Before that, the passive radiator push test would yield a fairly rapid return to "rest" for the woofers of about 1.5-2 sconds.
    After the repair, they would take 10+ seconds to return to rest.

    Sorry to get off topic of the thread but just wanted to back up what Jesse and Scott noticed with personal experience from a similar issue.

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  • Vette C6.rVette C6.r Posts: 1,550
    The def sounds like something to look into. I know my passive gasket has seen better days but I have Larry's rings so I doubt it was solely cause the issue.

    10+ seconds sounds more like it.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,047
    10 seconds is an extremely long time. 4 to 5 seconds is the most I've seen.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 17,285
    It's hard to get extended time like Ryan got with the MW6510's their dust cap is a more open mesh than say the MW6600/MW6501 which had a felt dust caps.

    I've used armacell pipe wrap with good results. I was lucky enough to get in on the gasket buy from Mike @brgman yrs. back. When I rehabbed my 2.3tl's I sealed everything real good, Larry's rings, new gaskets on tweeters and MW's and armacell on the passives. I get maybe 5 seconds on mine.
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,501
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Vette C6.r wrote: »
    Jesse and Scott also noticed a leak down issue on my 2.3's that I hope to get to soon. They were always a bit bass shy and that would sure explain alot of it.

    When I was rebuilding the 2.3TLs I ultimately sold to @gudnoyez I found a large gap in the "inner" cabinet in both top back corners of both cabinets. There was maybe 1/8" inch and it ended up being the single biggest issue with the bass on those particular speakers.
    I used Loctite Power Grab, pressed into those gaps and then clamped up the tops of the cabinets to true everything up while the Loctite dried.

    Before that, the passive radiator push test would yield a fairly rapid return to "rest" for the woofers of about 1.5-2 sconds.
    After the repair, they would take 10+ seconds to return to rest.

    Sorry to get off topic of the thread but just wanted to back up what Jesse and Scott noticed with personal experience from a similar issue.

    Those 2.3tls can shake the pictures off the wall in the next room if need be, its happened a time or two. :o
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