Drop Out Of Sound With SACD / CD Playback

VXR8VXR8 Posts: 284
edited October 17 in Electronics
Hello all,

Tried everything conceivable here to rectify this issue! Have a Denon AVR-X7200WA, Cambridge CXUHD and Sony K77A9G TV.

When the TV is turned off, the sound drops out on SACD playback (also on normal CD playback too). I had the dedicated audio HDMI output from the Cambridge going to the Denon and the dedicated video going to the TV. Have HDMI CEC turned OFF but the AVR appears to be looking for a HDMI video input (M1 flashes on the Denon display).

To make it work, I either have to disconnect the HDMI outs from both the Denon and Cambridge to the TV, and connect HDMI for video from the audio only HDMI output and swap it so it goes to the Denon. This plays back fine and as it should. For those who are unaware, the Cambridge has no RCA outputs, only HDMI x 2.

Alternatively, I can leave everything hooked up and turn the TV on and switch the picture off and all plays back fine, but this isn't ideal. Am I missing some setting on one of the devices? As I say, HDMI CEC is off on everything so technically it should playback without the requirement to have the TV to be on. Also plugged into the NON ARC HDMI inputs / outputs on both TV and AVR to eliminate that as well.

Any assistance would be appreciated - Regards Gary

Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

Main System
Denon - AVR-7200WA
Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
Polk Audio - Cherry LSiM707 - LSiM706c - LSiM fx - OWM3
SVS - PB1000
Foxtel - iQ4
Belkin - Pure AV PF40
Sony K77A9G

Entry System
Cambridge Audio CXA80
Cambridge Audio - Azur 752BD
Panasonic - UBD900
Polk Audio - LsiM703
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,481
    You have connected as follows:

    Sony TV HDMI ARC to Denon HDMI ARC
    Cambridge 1.4 audio to Denon CD input
    Cambridge 2.2 audio/video to Denon BluRay input

    Is this correct?

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  • VXR8VXR8 Posts: 284
    edited October 18
    Hi Ron and thanks for your reply.

    Sony TV ARC to Denon ARC correct
    Cambridge 1.4 to Blu Ray input on the Denon
    Cambridge 2.2 audio/video direct to the TV.

    Do you recommend I hook it up as you suggested and not connect the Cambridge 2.2 to the TV?

    Just tried that but same thing happening - sound dropping out :(
    Post edited by VXR8 on
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVR-7200WA
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Cherry LSiM707 - LSiM706c - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Entry System
    Cambridge Audio CXA80
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 752BD
    Panasonic - UBD900
    Polk Audio - LsiM703
  • Rick88Rick88 Posts: 13,289
    edited October 18
    I think it could be a Cambridge Audio anomaly.

    Until I sold my Yamaha RX-A1060 AVR, I had my Cambridge Audio 752BD universal BD player hooked up to it via HDMI which then sent the video signal to my Sony XBR-55X900E TV (CEC/ARC off). Any time I tried to turn off the TV while listening to SACDs I would get audio dropouts and the HDMI light on the Yammie would blink. I tried different certified HDMI cables and it didn't make a difference. I also tried setting the Cambridge to auto play an inserted disc and putting one in with the TV off, and it would start to play fine with no dropouts, but after a few minutes I would start to get them. I never tried to use the dual HDMI outs on the Cambridge to see if it made a difference using separate audio/video signals.

    I also had the 752BD hooked up via its analog outs because I slightly preferred its multiple (5) Wolfson DAC chips to the single ESS Sabre chip in the Yammie for CD playback. But since the 752BD converts DSD to PCM through its analog outs I wanted to use HDMI to get pure DSD with SACDs, though honestly I'm not sure if my ears could tell any/much difference.

    I blamed the Cambridge because I also had my Sony UBP-X800 universal 4k Ultra BD player hooked up to the Yammie via HDMI, and I could turn off the TV while playing an SACD and would not get audio dropouts.

    Good luck!
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,481
    VXR8 wrote: »
    Hi Ron and thanks for your reply.

    Sony TV ARC to Denon ARC correct
    Cambridge 1.4 to Blu Ray input on the Denon
    Cambridge 2.2 audio/video direct to the TV.

    Do you recommend I hook it up as you suggested and not connect the Cambridge 2.2 to the TV?

    Just tried that but same thing happening - sound dropping out :(

    When all components in the chain...(AVR, TV, Player) have compatible formats ...Yes, use the AVR as your central connection hub
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • VXR8VXR8 Posts: 284
    Rick88 wrote: »
    I think it could be a Cambridge Audio anomaly.

    Until I sold my Yamaha RX-A1060 AVR, I had my Cambridge Audio 752BD universal BD player hooked up to it via HDMI which then sent the video signal to my Sony XBR-55X900E TV (CEC/ARC off). Any time I tried to turn off the TV while listening to SACDs I would get audio dropouts and the HDMI light on the Yammie would blink. I tried different certified HDMI cables and it didn't make a difference. I also tried setting the Cambridge to auto play an inserted disc and putting one in with the TV off, and it would start to play fine with no dropouts, but after a few minutes I would start to get them. I never tried to use the dual HDMI outs on the Cambridge to see if it made a difference using separate audio/video signals.

    I also had the 752BD hooked up via its analog outs because I slightly preferred its multiple (5) Wolfson DAC chips to the single ESS Sabre chip in the Yammie for CD playback. But since the 752BD converts DSD to PCM through its analog outs I wanted to use HDMI to get pure DSD with SACDs, though honestly I'm not sure if my ears could tell any/much difference.

    I blamed the Cambridge because I also had my Sony UBP-X800 universal 4k Ultra BD player hooked up to the Yammie via HDMI, and I could turn off the TV while playing an SACD and would not get audio dropouts.

    Good luck!

    Thanks Rick - funny you should mention that, I also still have the Cambridge 752BD and plugged that it via HDMI just to try and eliminate the player - it had the same outcome, as I assume would all the later Oppo players as they share the software as with CA. Looks like I need a Sony (or Pioneer) to overcome the issue. I gave my brother a Pioneer BDP-55LX a few years ago, so I may just borrow it back for the purpose of trying another brand for purely the SACD playback. I have the 752BD in another area so can't swap that out (plus when both the 752 and the CXUHD are in the same room, they both operate via the same remote, so both turn on etc.).

    I also experienced exactly the same as you with the having the TV on, then turning off it would be fine for 3-4 songs, but then start dropping out. I really appreciate your input and insight :)
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVR-7200WA
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Cherry LSiM707 - LSiM706c - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Entry System
    Cambridge Audio CXA80
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 752BD
    Panasonic - UBD900
    Polk Audio - LsiM703
  • VXR8VXR8 Posts: 284
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    VXR8 wrote: »
    Hi Ron and thanks for your reply.

    When all components in the chain...(AVR, TV, Player) have compatible formats ...Yes, use the AVR as your central connection hub

    Thanks Ron - hooked up as suggested :)
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVR-7200WA
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Cherry LSiM707 - LSiM706c - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Entry System
    Cambridge Audio CXA80
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 752BD
    Panasonic - UBD900
    Polk Audio - LsiM703
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