Amp Advice For RTi’s

bmsbms Posts: 163
I am looking to purchase an amp for my RTi system - 10’s, 6’s, 4’s, and a CSi5, currently powered by an Onkyo 920. After looking used here, AVS, eBay, Audiogon, etc, I think I’m gonna look at a new Emotiva.

My question is should I get a 3 channel Gen. 3, and add channels if I think I need, or just go for a 5 channel? Emotiva charges $50, plus $200 per channel to add. Any help or experience would be appreciated.

Thanks
bms
Family Room:
Onkyo TX-RZ920
Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
Sony UBP-X700
Vizio M75-E1
Polk RTi10's
Polk CSi5
Polk RTi6's
Polk RTi4's
Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
PC13-Ultra

Bonus Room:
Onkyo TX-SR806
PS3
Panasonic TC-P42G10
Polk R50's
Polk CSM
Polk R15's
SVS PB10-ISD

For sale:
Onkyo TX-SR603X

Comments

  • mantismantis Posts: 15,903
    Honestly I don't see any reason to add an amp to your system. You have a really nice system and I think a correct calibration might give you what you might be after.
    Speaking of which why do you want to add a amp?
    Dan
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  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Well, many folks have said that RTi’s need power and really open up with a good amp. Hearing that, seems like they’re underpowered with 130 wpc (2 channels driven).

    Should I not expect to hear a difference? You and the other folks on this forum have much more knowledge than me!
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Just found out that Outlaw has 2200 monoblocks on sale - 3 for $799 shipped. 200 wpc. Anyone have experience with these?
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 2,644
    I owned those speakers, and ran them off a Rotel RB991 300WPC 2 channel @8 powering the RTi10s. They did open up quite a bit. That said, the Rotel tends to emphasize the highs a bit too much in combination with the RTis, so I retired the 10s. You will hear a difference with a beefier amp - but your current receiver is no slouch either. If you do upgrade, start with a 2 channel for the 10s. That will allow the receiver to direct its power to the center and surrounds.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,561
    edited February 2
    Either the Emotiva or Outlaw would be a nice improvement. If I had to pick I’d choose the Outlaws over the Emotiva for the RTIs.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Thanks everyone - I think I’m going with the Outlaws since it seems like a great deal, and many folks think they’re a better fit for RTi’s , since they’re already a bright speaker, and the Emotiva is known to have a brighter sound.

    I was considering LSIm’s, but I’m sticking with my current setup. Now if I had LSim’s the Emotiva seems like to would be a better choice - does that sound right?
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Ordered the 3-pack special of Outlaw 2200's last night...
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • KexKex Posts: 4,270
    Congratulations 🥳

    Enjoy! 🎈 🎶 🎉
    Alea jacta est!
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,444
    Nice! Please report back on your empirical findings!
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,399
    I currently have a Parasound Halo A31 on my A9s and CSI A6, I've also had a Adcom 5503 on them. They both do a great job. I'm looking forward to hear what those Outlaw 2200s do for you as I considered them a time or two. Congratulations let us know how you like them once you got them up and running.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,434
    bms wrote: »
    Ordered the 3-pack special of Outlaw 2200's last night...

    Cool, did ya also order some decent rca cables to hook them up ?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,513
    tonyb wrote: »
    bms wrote: »
    Ordered the 3-pack special of Outlaw 2200's last night...

    Cool, did ya also order some decent rca cables to hook them up ?

    Bet I know that answer.
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  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    F1nut wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    bms wrote: »
    Ordered the 3-pack special of Outlaw 2200's last night...

    Cool, did ya also order some decent rca cables to hook them up ?

    Bet I know that answer.

    Suggestions, please...?
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    I currently have these:
    Monoprice 3ft High-quality Coaxial Audio/Video RCA CL2 Rated Cable M/M RG6U 75ohm Gold connector (for S/PDIF, Digital Coax, Subwoofer & Composite Video)

    Again, you folks know much more than me - suggestions would be appreciated.
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,561
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  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Would a 3' version of this cable do the job, or am I looking at the wrong cable? There does not appear to be a single 3' cable available besides the one below.

    https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/subwoofer/index.htm
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    Monoblocks up and running.55366vo2zf9x.jpg
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • msgmsg Posts: 5,561
    So what do you think?
    I disabled signatures.
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    msg wrote: »
    So what do you think?

    Night & day difference? Not really, but I was not expecting that. For movies & all channel music, the surround channels are louder, and the fronts are very clean sounding. The system plays louder with no strain whatsoever. No hiss or hum at any volume.

    2 channel music sounds very nice - fuller, effortless sound, and more bass for sure!
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • TheheadsnTheheadsn Posts: 409
    I have my front stage also powered by 2200 moboblocks. Its not night and day, but if you plan on driving your speakers close to reference level, you will notice the difference. Having the monoblocks gives you a lot more headroom, and like you said it frees up power for your rear speakers powered by your amplifier. For the price, you really cant go wrong
    Home Theater Setup
    • Receiver - Onkyo TX-RZ1100
    • Mains - Polk RTi A9's
    • External Amps - Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks for L/R/C
    • Center - Polk CSiA6
    • Side Surrounds - Polk FXiA6's
    • Atmos - 4 Polk 80F/X RT's
    • Sub - SVS PC-4000
    • T.V. - LG OLED65C7P

  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,026
    Shouldn't you have some space between those amps so they can vent better?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • bmsbms Posts: 163
    They run pretty cool, and Outlaw says you can stack 3 with no issues.
    bms
    Family Room:
    Onkyo TX-RZ920
    Outlaw 2200 monoblock amps x 3
    Sony UBP-X700
    Vizio M75-E1
    Polk RTi10's
    Polk CSi5
    Polk RTi6's
    Polk RTi4's
    Dual SVS PB13-Ultra’s
    PC13-Ultra

    Bonus Room:
    Onkyo TX-SR806
    PS3
    Panasonic TC-P42G10
    Polk R50's
    Polk CSM
    Polk R15's
    SVS PB10-ISD

    For sale:
    Onkyo TX-SR603X
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,026
    That's cool then. No pun intended. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • benbvanbenbvan Posts: 14
    bms wrote: »
    Thanks everyone - I think I’m going with the Outlaws since it seems like a great deal, and many folks think they’re a better fit for RTi’s , since they’re already a bright speaker, and the Emotiva is known to have a brighter sound.

    I was considering LSIm’s, but I’m sticking with my current setup. Now if I had LSim’s the Emotiva seems like to would be a better choice - does that sound right?

    I own RtiA9's with an XPA2 G3 and they are great! I own LsiM707's and I power them with Emotiva XPA - DR3... just wow. The DR amp is absolutely phenomenal. I didn't like the sound of the A9 with a monolith amp, which is very Very similar to the Outlaw. Maybe they lacked the power, I just thought they were a bit dull.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,561
    The Outlaw and Monolith are not as similar as you think. Especially the model being discussed. Outlaw has mostly moved away from ATI manufactured amps, with the exception of their 7900 model. The Monolith is an ATI manufactured amp, but none of them have anything in common with the current Outlaw lineup. Earlier Outlaw amps did use a chassis similar to that of the Monolith, as did most other ATI made amps. However, that does not suggest, the Monolith and the Outlaw would at all have the same sound signature.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 16,345
    The Outlaw and Monolith are not as similar as you think. Especially the model being discussed. Outlaw has mostly moved away from ATI manufactured amps, with the exception of their 7900 model. The Monolith is an ATI manufactured amp, but none of them have anything in common with the current Outlaw lineup. Earlier Outlaw amps did use a chassis similar to that of the Monolith, as did most other ATI made amps. However, that does not suggest, the Monolith and the Outlaw would at all have the same sound signature.

    ATI has made gear for many many folks. Some designs they made in the past were high 4 digits and a few 5 digit names. They have the infrastructure and it is cheaper to have ATI make your design than build the factory and buy the machines.

    I'm sure many here have heard of or know the high end names that have went through ATI.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,561
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    The Outlaw and Monolith are not as similar as you think. Especially the model being discussed. Outlaw has mostly moved away from ATI manufactured amps, with the exception of their 7900 model. The Monolith is an ATI manufactured amp, but none of them have anything in common with the current Outlaw lineup. Earlier Outlaw amps did use a chassis similar to that of the Monolith, as did most other ATI made amps. However, that does not suggest, the Monolith and the Outlaw would at all have the same sound signature.

    ATI has made gear for many many folks. Some designs they made in the past were high 4 digits and a few 5 digit names. They have the infrastructure and it is cheaper to have ATI make your design than build the factory and buy the machines.

    I'm sure many here have heard of or know the high end names that have went through ATI.

    I think that’s the point I was attempting to make. To say Outlaw and Monolith are “very very similar” because Outlaw used to have most of their amps manufactured by ATI is an incorrect assumption.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,513
    Don't see much about emo amps these days....good thing that, IMO.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • benbvanbenbvan Posts: 14
    I like my Emotiva gear. Though I like most gear.
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