Marantz PM8006 not enough amp or not enough speaker?
afterburnt
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I got this thing running my Usher N-6361's and the combo seems maybe a little anemic. The room is a lot bigger than when I had them running off of a pair of Dayens monoblocks which was more than satisfactory then. I am just curious if yooz think they are underpowered or undersized? The room is about 14'x 20' with the ceiling sloping from about 8' to 18'
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A quick glance at the towers indicates, to me, that is not enough speaker for the room volume.
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Rats! I hope that my Mini Dancer II's will somehow fare better cause they are supposed to be replacing the 6361's.
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Placement might change it a bit at the LP, but in the end it comes down to cone area and speaker displacement. A cone of X area can only pressurize Y volume at it's xmax...
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Placement might change it a bit at the LP, but in the end it comes down to cone area and speaker displacement. A cone of X area can only pressurize Y volume at it's xmax...
It probably wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for that artsy-fartsy ceiling no? -
Less of a problem, yes. The angle of the ceiling is not helping.
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I guess I will just have to get these.
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That's a big enough area to warrant big speakers and big power IMHO.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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That's a big enough area to warrant big speakers and big power IMHO.
That's what I am afraid of. These look nice.
Wonder if that would do it?
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then you would need more amp
maybe this, notice it doubles into a 4 ohm load.
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afterburnt wrote: » Wonder if that would do it?
Those are PURDY! Probably purdy dang expensive too.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)
There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus -
Got to spend a little time with this system and worked with it and the room as well. I am no longer concerned that this or the real setup will be lacking. I just saved a bunch of money on speakers! More ladies of easy virtue in retirement!
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afterburnt wrote: »I guess I will just have to get these.
Horrible speakers!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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That looks like a patio heater.
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They throw the sound out into space, so there's no realistic stage and no center image.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Not to mention, if you want "realistic" sound stage perception? When was the last time you heard a guitar player or a violinist that was 4 feet wide?
Also, as an added note, I heard a pair up at Jolida HQ's that I literally had to hold my hands between the speakers and the gear as I walked by to the stack because they gave off this gawd AWFUL pitch of sound that I could not stand. Never before or after have I EVER heard this coming from a set of speakers before. This was another rig that you could not pay me to listen too. This one though? Even if you had 1 million dollars? I'd still say no. No lie.
Jesse and I walked into another room shortly thereafter and heard a set of Noel speakers with the Jolida FX (IIRC) and the sound was SO much better. Very pleasing to the ears and a relief to the MBL setup at the same shop.
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Ha, I'd forgotten about hearing the MBL there. The monitors were Nola and they sure sounded good.Political Correctness'.........defined
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afterburnt wrote: »I guess I will just have to get these.
I was just gonna buy the plastic cover. -
Ha, I'd forgotten about hearing the MBL there. The monitors were Nola and they sure sounded good.
Is that the Nola that was formerly Acarian ? If I'm remembering correctly, Acarian was the extension of Dahlquist? -
It was formally Alon.Political Correctness'.........defined
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It was formally Alon.
Yes, quite -- Nola being Alon spelled backwards.
There was some soap opera associated with that change, as I recall... but I don't remember the details any more. Perusal of AA (audioasylum, that is) should turn up the tale.
EDIT: A quick perusal @ AA didn't turn up much, actually... now I am wonderin' where I remember reading about it.
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Yeah, I'm fairly sure that Alon and Acarian are continuations of what was Dahlquist by one of the designers. I could be wrong but I think the Dahlquist DQ-20 and DQ-30 designs (especially the DQ-30) was carried forward.
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As far as I can tell from some very brief research is that Carl Marchiotto is behind the NOLA speakers. He's the legendary speaker designer that continued Dahlquist's open baffle design (I think he designed the last Dahlquist floorstander - the DQ-30i, although it may have been prior iterations such as the DQ-20). After Dahlquist, Marchiotto started a company called Acarian Systems and they had a very well regarded floor stander called the Alon, which appeared to be a spitting image of the Dahlquist DQ-20 or 30 floorstanders. The Alon went through several iterations and I believe Acarian had many other speaker models as well. It appears to me that Marchiotto then started a company known as Accent Speaker Technology, of which he was the President it appears very recently. I saw some reviews from 2017 and 2018, discussing Accent's Nola speaker, and there's a review from Nov. 2017 concerning a Nola Boxer 2S bookshelf monitor that received rave reviews, apparently making a big splash also at AXPONA in 2018, as well as other shows. It purportedly carried forward the same house sound as the Dahlquist and Acarian brands, even though it was a monitor as opposed to the traditional Acarian Alon and Dahlquist floorstanders that used the open baffle design. Perhaps the Nola Boxer (it also had some iterations such as the Boxer 2 and Boxer 2S) was the monitor Jesse and Tom heard.
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IIRC, this was about 6 or 7 years ago and I have no idea what model they were. About the only thing I can recall is that they had some sort of light tan/beige finish on them and that they were not a "full size" bookie like the Wharfedale's are. No taller than maybe a foot or so? Sorry, that's all I got.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/first-listen-nola-boxer-loudspeaker/
Tom: this appears to be the Nola Boxer 1 and I've seen the Nola Boxer 3 listed for sale, so there have been various iterations and different finishes. The original Nola Boxer looks to be perhaps somewhat smaller than the 2 and the 3 but I haven't looked at the specs to make sure. All of them get rave reviews from what I can tell. Don -
That looks like it. Different finish but I do believe that is the one we heard hooked up to the new (at the time) JolidaFX.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Tom, there's a 2014 review of the NOLA Boxer 2, so the NOLA Boxer 1 must've been around for some time before that. The NOLA Boxer S2 won the Best Sound award at 2017 RMAF. It appears all of them were 15 1/2 inches tall. Very nice point to point crossovers with Mundorf oil and foil capacitors, and very expensive pure silver monofilament internal wiring. I'd like to find a used pair of these. I'll bet these are ones you guys heard.
