Best AVR for two channel playback....

I already know that the abnove is an oxymoron, but I need to ask as I am going to have to sell my beloved PASS LABS stack, and likely a bunch of other stuff as well. Pioneer is going to give me a heck of a deal, but I am not beholden to that choice. I like the Yamaha CX5100 pre, but not sure how it will perform two channel duty.

Advice?
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 9,206
    edited September 2019
    I would describe the 10xx and above Yamaha Aventage line as neutral. Not bright, not warm, in the middle. I would assume the CX5100 to be similar.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,479
    Get the fook outta here for even asking that question. :)

    John, those quakes out there have rattled a marble lose in your head bro. lol

    But if ya must know....put Anthem on that list. ;)
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    tonyb wrote: »
    Get the fook outta here for even asking that question. :)

    John, those quakes out there have rattled a marble lose in your head bro. lol

    But if ya must know....put Anthem on that list. ;)

    The wife is pushing the issue here. Another grand to replace the receiver that died after replacing a computer that died was the proverbial last straw. If the Pioneer could have waited another 6 months, I would have been ok. Now she sees my stuff as a waste of dollars that would be better spent elsewhere. Not up for sale yet, but will be so if someone wants to shoot me a pm on anything in my sig, we can talk.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,666
    Try to get a 5 channel AVR preamp, and a 5 channel amp. This should improve 2 channel playback since it has reduced circuitry.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    5 channels are typically small and have no pre-outs for the tubes.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,666
    What?
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    If I am giving up a stack of Pass Labs for a receiver, it needs to be a damn good one. typically a 5 channel one these days does not have preouts for an external amp...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,666
    That’s why I said preamp, not an amp. You might be right about there being no 5 channel pre-outs, but there are 7 channel pre-outs. Get two separate amps for the L/R front, and a used 5 channel amp for the other channels. Good luck.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • You're sending your beloved Pass Labs stack down the road in favor of a pioneer avr? Am I really reading that right? Times must really be tough and you have my sympathy.
    Hopefully the Goldfinger isn't get sent away to?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,116
    edited September 2019
    F1nut wrote: »
    Who wears the pants?

    That appears to have been established.

    (I keed, I keed.)

    In all seriousness -- were it me, I would get a fine two channel thingy and - realizing this is heretical to the HT crowd - "listen" to my video sources in stereo. Really good stereo.

    What's the matter with that?
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    edited September 2019
    The wife's call Motor, and yes... the table and all the trimmings go too. The only thing not on her list are my amps.

    Happy wife, happy life?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,429
    Turntable too???
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,666
    What took her so long? :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Turntable too???


    Yep... TriangleART as well.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,116
    John, we'll take up a collection and send you an ION in an unmarked box. You can hide it in your sock drawer...

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    I think I might go for the Yamaha CX-A5100. I can add a 7 channel amp later, then when the heat is off, I will get the Pass XP-22 when I go back to work. The Oppo UDP 205 gets to stay as well. B)
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • Rick88Rick88 Posts: 13,189
    Best price here on a new CX-A5100 if you haven't seen it:

    https://www.frys.com/product/9577192?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,466
    If you part with 1.2tls what are you going to use with the in walls with the Yamaha?
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,865
    I don't know yet... I will cross that bridge if I get there. Right now I am just laying low.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 2,641
    The wife's call Motor, and yes... the table and all the trimmings go too. The only thing not on her list are my amps.

    Happy wife, happy life?

    This ^^^^^^^^^^
    I looked all over the place and noticed that there is nothing that rhymes with Husband.... Really not fair at all :blush:
    But let me know if she changes her mind on the 205, I'm loving my new 4K and am in need of a player now LOL
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • mantismantis Posts: 15,956
    I'm trying to figure out why you don't want a Pioneer? The Elite's are some of the very best sounding AVR's on the market man. Marantz receivers sound awesome. NAD might be where you want to be if 2 channel is more important. They sound like separates
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  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,241
    Are you going to publish a PODCAST of the entire discussion with the wife?
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  • The wife's call Motor, and yes... the table and all the trimmings go too. The only thing not on her list are my amps.

    Happy wife, happy life?

    Your 1.2tl's are going bye bye too?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,702
    Obviously we play in different stratosphere’s John, but with 4 kids I have to keep my AV expenditures Reasonable. I recently switched from a marantz sr5007 and a parasound 1000a to a Cambridge azur 551r, and difference was very clear. The Cambridge sounds much closer to an integrated, very musical.

    I would look into the newish Cambridge CXR200. I have been eyeing the 120 on eBay but haven’t pulled the trigger...
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  • Be sure to give Anthem some consideration.
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    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.

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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,732
    edited September 2019
    She owns the purse strings, while John rocks the apron strings.
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; LAT International speaker cables, ZU Mission IC's and power cables all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.

    There are three things that give a man a false sense of courage, a keyboard, alcohol and a firearm.
    Motorhead, 4.12.20

    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb and dumber.
  • delkaldelkal Posts: 704
    I am a little confused with what you need to replace. Do you have 2 systems? One for HT and one for 2 channel? Are they in the same room?

    Selling premium gear you are happy with at 50+% off what you paid to buy a $2500 pre doesn't make sense to me. And I have a feeling your wife won't like the idea of a $2500 pre either. You would still need amps,speakers, and everything else so what are you planning on selling to offset the $2500 pre?

    If everything is in the same room I would just use your Pass 3 channel pre and dump the surrounds for HT. Poor 2 channel performance vs no rears for HT? The choice should be obvious.

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