Sony TA-A1ES integrated amplifier

ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
edited July 4 in Electronics
I purchased a Sony TA-A1ES integrated amplifier. I've been interested and curious about this product since I first read about it back in 2014, including this review: https://andreweverard.com/2014/02/19/review-sony-ta-a1es-amplifier/

I started thinking about it again and wanted to hear it, so I ordered one. I'm pretty sure it's actually discontinued now.

Here it is:

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Unecessarily large binding posts:

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In the rack:

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Weighing in at 40lbs, it has a substantial feeling and seems to have quite good build quality. I let it run earlier just streaming a di.fm channel from the CXN V2 to verify it's functionality, so far so good.

It uses a Class A amplifier design where the volume knob is actually a bias adjustment. This was done to supposedly reduce heat and be more efficient. From their marketing speak: "For long-lasting, high performance, the TA-A1ES intelligently controls the bias by a volume position to heighten the sound quality. The built-in smart BIAS system controls the amp's BIAS based on the volume position. In doing so, the amp is able to utilize a field that experiences good transistor linearity without generating heat, so the sound quality always remains true."

Despite only playing it at lower volume levels, it still got quite warm, to the point where I couldn't keep my fingers on the vent above the heatsinks for longer than a few seconds.

Anyway, looking forward to logging some hours on it and evaluating it's sound.

Lastly, a word of warning for anyone thinking about getting one of these, the styrofoam inserts that Sony chose to use for their packaging material are woefully inadequate to protect this 40lb piece during transit. My inserts arrived trashed and broken into several pieces, but luckily there was no physical damage or operational issues.

I followed up with the retailer and explained the poor condition it arrived in. I ended up having them open up another one they had in their warehouse and it too had the compromised styrofoam inserts. Here are the photos they sent:

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It's too bad Sony doesn't have a clue when it comes to packing materials to ensure safe transit of their products.
"Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,139
    edited July 4
    Whatever you do, NEVER send it to the Sony Laredo, TX service center. It will come back in a different box with next to none or no packing material and the piece will likely have cosmetic damage from their techs.

    Personally, I gave up on Sony audio gear years ago because of their house sound and serious lack of product support.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
    edited July 4
    I forgot to mention a few other questionable things that happened when I was unboxing it. I unwrapped/removed that white foam material shown in the photo above, and then went to touch the volume knob and as I touched it, a static electricity spark leapt from the knob to the front panel. I then realized that the friction of the amp shifting around during transit on the loose styrofoam inserts must've caused a static electricity buildup that was then released when I touched it. Bizarre.

    Also when I picked it up and tilted it to either side, it sounded like there was a tiny piece of something inside moving around. But then I continued to tilt it every which way and could not hear anything after that. So I guess whatever that was is now stuck on something. haha.

    Again, these things just go back to Sony's brainless packaging decisions with this product. Judging by how there's a few of these on TMR for sale, one of which with dented paneling, I'm not the first person to realize the epic packaging fail with these.

    Regarding longevity, if I'm not mistaken I believe it has a 5 year warranty if you register it. But as you just mentioned Jesse, I'd be weary of actually needing to get it serviced. The way it is now the original packing is worthless and unable to be used for shipping again.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,725
    I for one think it looks great. I have a lot of love for Sony over the years. Their TV’s continue to be the staple for me since the 80’s. I have always wanted to try ES gear, but never did.
    Looking forward to your impressions.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,645
    sliding bias = not Class A.

  • verbverb Posts: 8,270
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    sliding bias = not Class A.

    Interesting Doc. Sony’s description refers to it as class A, What would you characterize it as?
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,645
    edited July 4
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    sliding bias = not Class A.

    Interesting Doc. Sony’s description refers to it as class A, What would you characterize it as?

    Class A, by definition, requires a bias point that has all (output) devices dissipating full power for 360 degrees of a wave cycle (whether there is signal or not present). Adjustable bias schemes have gone by many names over the years -- e.g., Technics' New Class A. I don't think they fall into any of the traditional amplifier classes of operation -- they just add complexity and their own, transient forms of nonlinear distortion relative to Class A (which is typically lowest distortion but also least efficient, of course), Class B (relatively high levels of crossover distortion and, of course, all odd-order harmonic distortion components), and the various, intermediate bias point Class AB, AB1 (etc?) -- which offer intermediate distortion levels for push-pull amplification.

    Note that AB and B operation is "balanced" (push-pull) by definition; Class A can be SE or PP.


  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,725
    Wow. I’m really dumb.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,270
    Thanks Mark! I found this:
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  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 699
    edited July 4
    Joe, you made me laugh!
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,725
    Well at least I have that Harry! B)
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,645
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Wow. I’m really dumb.

    how so?

    I mean, there's nothing wrong with sliding bias schemes -- they make a lot of sense in terms of energy efficiency -- I get aggravated by marketing playing so fast and loose with fairly well established nomenclature, mostly because if misrepresents a product. But that's marketing, isn't it?

    I remember a high-end decaffeinated coffee that advertised using Nature's pure effervescence to remove the caffeine. Translated into reality :) this means that the coffee was decaffeinated using supercritical carbon dioxide liquid. It's arguably the
    best way
    to decaffeinate, but to put such flowery language around it is usually just an excuse to charge more B)

    Similarly (?) I think "Class A" sounds like "the best class" so folks expect, and are comfortable, to pay more for it -- whether they're buying it or not. Heck, the amp topology in this Sony may cost more to implement than true Class A (since the latter can be very simple indeed, especially if the amp is single-ended, with one output device per channel, like Pass's "Amp Camp Amp") -- but the perceived value in the name Class A may be the most important thing to the brochure copywriters.

    :|




  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,533
    Interested in hearing how it sounds in operation. It's the companion to the Sony HAP-Z1ES I have been enjoying the last few years, especially with DSD and high resolution PCM files.
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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,142
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Regarding longevity, if I'm not mistaken I believe it has a 5 year warranty if you register it. But as you just mentioned Jesse, I'd be weary of actually needing to get it serviced. The way it is now the original packing is worthless and unable to be used for shipping again.

    You can be “wary” or “leery” of something that is suspect. Even “leary” (spelling not used in common writing in over a hundred years).
    But if you are “weary” of something then you are tired of it.
    Sorry, a pet peeve of mine.

    On a topic related note, I like the look and design of this guy but like Jesse, I haven’t been a fan of Sony’s house sound in quite some time. Which sucks because they still throw out a pretty piece from time to time.

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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,417
    Every ES piece I've ever had, or, had experience with, ran very warm. I use to have great respect for the ES line 30 years ago, but, not so much now. Agree with Jesse in their product support and customer relations suuuccck.
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    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

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    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • verbverb Posts: 8,270
    Interesting comments on the customer service aspect, as I had issues with a HT receiver, had to send it in, took 2 months to get it back. Lord, IIRC it went to Laredo! :smile: Been working fine ever since.

    What about their TV's? Highly regarded, I have a Sony 4k TV, happy with it, no issues. Lot's of raves here and elsewhere on the TV's.
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,417
    I owned several of their CRT TV's over a 35 year span and believed their tubes to be the best. No issues ever. Their LED sets didn't do it for me like their tubes did. My father just bought a Sony LED, but, I have not owned one.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,270
    Well, I'd like to offer a congrats Drew! It does like very nice, and very interested in your impressions! :smile:
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    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    I can’t speak on audio components but I love my x930e tv
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,417
    Sorry if my post came off wrong, Drew. I've not heard this piece and I hope it brings you satisfaction like a couple of the ES pieces brought me at one time.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    You can be “wary” or “leery” of something that is suspect. Even “leary” (spelling not used in common writing in over a hundred years).
    But if you are “weary” of something then you are tired of it.
    Sorry, a pet peeve of mine.

    Sorry Ryan, it was nearly 1:00am when I wrote that and I'd been up since 6am that morning.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,725
    I, like Dave, am curious to hear about this also. Just because some have had bad experiences with Sony, doesn’t mean that every piece follows the same results.
    I wonder how it will do against the PS A stuff.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,660
    Shut up Ryan :)
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,299
    F1nut wrote: »
    Whatever you do, NEVER send it to the Sony Laredo, TX service center. It will come back in a different box with next to none or no packing material and the piece will likely have cosmetic damage from their techs.

    Personally, I gave up on Sony audio gear years ago because of their house sound and serious lack of product support.

    That is the truth. I have a real horror story about Laredo not doing a warranty repair, and returning it in a POS box instead of the original box. Also, I thought Laredo was closed down, but not sure.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,139
    It appears to still be open for destruction.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,948
    Sounds like the Denon service I was received. I sent in my Denon 2900 for warranty work in factory box and packaging. They in turn sent it back in a box way too big and absolutely no padding what so ever. The box couldn't have been more round. Needless to say it was destroyed. Denon TRIED to blame me as that was the way it was sent to them. I gladly showed them the pictures I had taken as I packed and shipped.
    I have no idea why they would have shipped it that way it just boggled my mind. I was very upset with Denon for some time.

    They did finally sent a new 2900 which worked flawlessly until the drawer belt broke.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
    Here is some more information about this amplifier, which is definitely not Class A:

    "The TA–A1ES uses a Class A amplification circuit to deliver only what is needed of its 80 watts per channel, avoiding additional heat production."

    "The 80–watt–per–channel TA–A1ES uses a Class A amplification circuit hooked up to a tracking power supply that delivers only as much power as needed, so almost none is wasted as heat."

    "Rated at 80 watts per channel (20Hz-20kHz, 8Ω, 0.09% THD), the TA-A1ES amplifier is a Class A design, with some interesting wrinkles. The advantage of Class A topology is that there's no crossover distortion when the signal changes polarity. The disadvantage is inefficiency; over 50% of the energy consumed by a conventional Class A amplifier is wasted as heat.

    To get around this conundrum, the TA-A1ES employs a Smart Bias design that adjusts the bias voltage for the output transistors according to the position of the volume control, so that they operate in Class A mode all (or almost all) of the time. Because the amplifier's power supply dynamically adjusts bias voltage to match output, the amplifier is much more efficient than traditional Class A designs."
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,139
    That's a lot of fuses.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,299
    Indeed. Also when powering it on there are like 6 or 7 relay clicks before it's ready. I'll count them tomorrow.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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