Got the dremel out today...

exalted512

and started dremeling the grills
the dremel is battery powered so right now im waiting on it to recharge which takes about 3 hours...
i got 4 of the "spokes" done on one of the grills
ill knock the other 4 out tonight as well, charge it and work on the other grill tomorrow hopefully
and i got my amp back today
the output circuit **** the fan on it
havent hooked it up yet...possibly tomorrow as well
-Cody

LittleCar_w/12s

Cool. Glad to see that the momo's will have the clearance they deserve. I don't have a dremel, so I have an old B+D Drill that is really slow... really sucked when I had to cut out a plexiglass window for my car. In the house, I use the bits attatched to a little electric motor from a printer... sounds weird but it works to an ewxtent. Man, I need to just go get tools.
Have fun with the rest of it. Did you have to pay anything to have that fan replaced? If so, keep me in mind next time, I love to do electronics repair, it's a hobby for me.
-Jerry

exalted512

got it finished today and the subs dont hit anymore
there were actually small marks on the grill from the subs...yikes...
like where the paint was shiny
i have pics and ill post em later, but im not sure if youll be able to see em
and it was the output circuit that broke--i just use '**** the fan' as in it died...
and it was all under warranty so i only paid shipping
which since i used to work at a mail center in town, i still get a discount:D
going to try and reinstall the amp tomorrow if i can find the time...shouldnt take that long...hopefully
-Cody

MacLeod

It shouldnt take too long, since youve got the wires and everything back there already.

Im sure you cant wait. Although I bet youre used to being able to use your rear view mirror now and will have to get the hang of driving again by seeing squiggly lines rather than cars in it! LOL

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod
Although I bet youre used to being able to use your rear view mirror now and will have to get the hang of driving again by seeing squiggly lines rather than cars in it! LOL

lol
youre not kidding either though...
everytime my radar detector goes off i have to turn the radio down so i can see if theres a cop behind me...lol
im kinda disappointed though, it hasnt fallen off yet...
when i get my brahmas and a USAmps 3000 ill probably have to carry glue in my glove compartment
i cant wait:D
lol
when i was dremeling the plastic was melting and giving off this awful smell
i have a headache now...lol
-Cody

AustinKP

Cody, did you take the grilles off to dremel them, or did you just do it while screwed into the box? How hard was it, and how does it look now?

exalted512

i took them off
wasnt hard
ill have b4 and after pics up sometime next week
-Cody

Systems

Hehe glad to see you finally got arround to doing it, you woudln't believe the difference it makes... i mean when that rubber was vibrating off that grill it just sounded terrible and killed the bass... now i can crank it up much higher and i don't hear a thing other than loud clear bass, you'll be glad you did it

hehe and i hear you man about the plastic melting, it smells hella bad and theres basically no way to avoid it

exalted512

yeah, i finally got off my **** and did it
my truck is still a mess though...the back seat is unbolted, off the brackets and folded straight up and down right behind my front seats, the sub box is also facing grill side up instead of grill side forward
and upfiring has taken a lot of the bass out
it does seem to have a little more SQ though
but maybe its my imagination
when i get my brahmas im going to use these momos as test subs
im going to build various boxes for em and see what i like, then hopefully i can sell the boxes for at least material cost
i need money first...
donations for research anyone?
-Cody

neomagus00

i'd be willing to do it the other way round... you donate the speakers to me, and i'll make a couple boxes .

exalted512

come on man, its in the name of science
lol
-Cody

neomagus00

hmm, we'll do it 50-50; you send me the speakers, and then you build the boxes. yes?

exalted512

ill send you the speakers if you pay the shipping
shouldnt be more than $200 a speaker:D
-Cody

neomagus00

haha

wait, really??

exalted512

really!
$400 and both of my mm124s can be yours!

-Cody

neomagus00

hehe... nah, no thanx. besides, ups says it's only $31 (COD and insured). anyways, im thinking something higher. which of these do you like?
diamond tdx 10
eclipse titanium 10
jlaudio w7 (yeah, yeah)
cdt HD 10
focal K2 power 10
image dynamics idmax 10
mbquart premium 10
adire brahma 10

i've also heard of these:
oz matrix 10
rainbow SW 250 E Audiophile 10
boston acoustics proseries 10
seas excel 10

exalted512

im going to get the brahmas later this year...if that makes a difference
www.sound-foundations.us
-Cody

neomagus00

yeah, that's a pretty big boost for the brahma. are there any you'd strike from that list? i'm leaning towards eclipse/diamond/adire/idmax right now, but that can change. and it probably will. but, finally, graduation is just around the corner, so there should be a pretty good influx of cash there. so i can finally get my subs.

Systems

Originally posted by neomagus00

diamond tdx 10
eclipse titanium 10
jlaudio w7 (yeah, yeah)
cdt HD 10
focal K2 power 10
image dynamics idmax 10
mbquart premium 10
adire brahma 10

i've also heard of these:
oz matrix 10
rainbow SW 250 E Audiophile 10
boston acoustics proseries 10
seas excel 10

havent heard the CDT, focal, quart, oz, rainbow, ba, or the seas
i havent even heard of seas
the eclipses are pretty expensive though
tdx are really nice, but i dont know their price
jl-you know
cdt-havent heard it, cdt is awesome though
focal-havent heard it either but focal is pretty amazing though
the IDs are really nice, but pbd has a lot of problems with his, but they were V2s, the V3s are supposed to be pretty good
id like to add the resonance engineering **** to the list
its a sql woofer
its a little louder than the brahma from what i understand, but a little more expensive, and a little less SQ, but probably not noticeable
those are all pretty much what i consider to be the "Super-Subs" of today, you cant really go wrong with any of them
reason why im going with the brahma is because its the cheapest of em
-Cody

bknauss

Seas seems to be 90% home drivers. They're like Peerless, Vifa, and Scanspeak..... home theater companies that put out some car stuff.

MacLeod

Originally posted by neomagus00

diamond tdx 10
eclipse titanium 10
jlaudio w7 (yeah, yeah)
cdt HD 10
focal K2 power 10
image dynamics idmax 10
mbquart premium 10
adire brahma 10

i've also heard of these:
oz matrix 10
rainbow SW 250 E Audiophile 10
boston acoustics proseries 10
seas excel 10

For what its worth, heres my $.02.

When it comes to subs I think JL is the daddy! Cant go wrong with them but I consider them more of an SQ sub than SPL.

Focal is freaking awesome! They dont hit as hard as JL but they are very sweet, but very pricey even by JL standards.

MB Quart makes some of the best speakers in the world however their subs are in the Audiobahn league. I dont know why but every Quart sub Ive ever heard sounds good and all but Id categorize it as a little sloppy.

Diamond Audio makes an awesome sub. They can handle a **** load of power and they move more air than a wind tunnel and still sound very good and tight. Another one you cant go wrong with.

I dont like much of anything that Boston Acoustic has put out. Speakers or subs. Im not saying they suck because a lot of people like them, they just dont sound good to me.

Eclipse arent bad but you could do better.

I havent heard any of the others.

exalted512

I can personally vouch for both the brahma and the **** over the JL w7
now these WERE in DIFFERENT cars, but all were in ported boxes, but i do not know the tuning of the and they were probably all different
but to me, they were all very close, but the brahma took it in SQ, the **** and W7 both seemed the same...i couldnt hear a difference, and maybe they werent tuned for SQ, but I liked the brahma better
the **** was the loudest, but not by much, the w7 and the brahma were the same as far as SPL goes
but when it comes to price-the **** and brahma blow the w7 out of the water
the brahma is like $40 cheaper than the ****
thats what sold me on the brahma
muy bueno:)
if you want any more in depth detail on the brahma, go to www.caraudiotalk.com and talk to sandt38--he owns the sound foundations website--or he helps run it, one of the 2
-Cody

neomagus00

okay, this just occurred to me... i drive a convertible. the rear wall (from the cabin to the trunk) is covered, naturally, by the rear bench. the seatback of said bench seems built to withstand a direct battleship shelling... solid is the point i'm trying to get across here. behind that, there is a hole about (conveniently) is exactly the same size as a 300.2. my concern is this: will i hear the subtle difference in sq in my car? it is built like a tank (quite literally, with the internal bracing and so on) and is a droptop, so i'm hearing the same thing that the guy in the car next to me is - no cabin gain here. will the difference between a brahma and a ****, for example, be audible?

or between an eclipse and a momo?

on eclipse: a little bird told me that the titanium series is pretty much competition only, and won't sound as clean as a step down (the black ones). deafeningly loud, but not as clean. can anyone comment on this through experience?

the same little bird says that, from reference series down it's: titanium(model # SW9...), black(#8...), aluminium(#SW8...). their site is laid out: titanium, aluminium, black; the powerhandling matches the second layout, and there's nothing else to go by. does anyone know for sure? any ideas what the 'sw' designation means?

since i think that i'll be doing this install myself, what are some good internet dealers? i have acaraudio, onlinecarstereo, and sounddomain bookmarked. any others?

mac - i simply cannot justify to myself the cost of a w7. and at this point in my life, the same goes for a focal. so, they've been removed from the list. the same little birdie from above said that diamond sux azz. any comment? perhaps the birdie heard a diamond a couple years back and they've gotten hella better since?

modified list:
added
alpine type-x
polk daddy momo
good
eclipse
-titanium
-black ones
diamond tdx
adire brahma
unknowns
cdt hd
oz matrix
rainbow audiophile
questioned
idmax (because of vince's troubles)
seas excel (the mostly-home bit frightens me)
boston proseries (bad review so far)
mbquart premium (same)
gone
jl w7 (price)
focal k2 power (price; probably inaudible difference)

AustinKP

So, uh, who is this little birdie? Is he a reliable source, or a friend who think's he's "in the know"?
Online retailers: depending on which brands you want,
Infinite Car Audio
The Zeb
Ike Sound

exalted512

nah, the difference b/t a brahma and a **** probably wont be audible if theyre in similiarly designed boxes
-Cody

MacLeod

Originally posted by neomagus00

mac - i simply cannot justify to myself the cost of a w7. and at this point in my life, the same goes for a focal. so, they've been removed from the list. the same little birdie from above said that diamond sux azz. any comment? perhaps the birdie heard a diamond a couple years back and they've gotten hella better since?

modified list:
added
alpine type-x
polk daddy momo
good
eclipse
-titanium
-black ones
diamond tdx
adire brahma
unknowns
cdt hd
oz matrix
rainbow audiophile
questioned
idmax (because of vince's troubles)
seas excel (the mostly-home bit frightens me)
boston proseries (bad review so far)
mbquart premium (same)
gone
jl w7 (price)
focal k2 power (price; probably inaudible difference)

I hear ya on the price. I cant even come close to affording one myself. You could try the W6. They are my alltime favorite sub and they are around $300. And for the Codys of the world (:p) that will say JL blows, Car Audio & Electronics said "I would have to say that the 12W6 is the best sounding subwoofer Ive tested for CA&E." Thats a pretty good endorsement to me!

Now to the blasphemy of Diamond sucking, Id have to say that a certain little birdie dont know ****! I bet you cant find 5 people in the world that would even use "suck" and "Diamond Audio" in the same sentence let alone together!

Im all about SQ and am also not much of a bass-head so my sub opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. With that being said here are my top 5 subs.

1- JL Audio W6:
Rules! $300 range

2- Diamond Audio CM3:
Handles tons of power, works in a super small box and sounds great. $200 range

3- Kicker L7
A whole Time Life Edition of whoop ****! Handles obscene amounts of power and uses a very small box. May be a little muddy in the SQ dept. $300 range

4- MTX Thunder 8500
Sounds great and hits very hard. $350 range

5- Polk Daddy Momo
Sounds great and handles a lot of power in a smallish box. $220 range

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod
Car Audio & Electronics said "I would have to say that the 12W6 is the best sounding subwoofer Ive tested for CA&E."

car audio and electronics is probably the most biased car audio magazine out there
they say whatever the company(in that case JL) pays them to
or thats the way it seems...
-Cody

neomagus00

Originally posted by AustinKP
So, uh, who is this little birdie? Is he a reliable source, or a friend who think's he's "in the know"?

the birdie is a group of people whom i generally respect and trust, but am rapidly becoming more wary of. whether they are in the know, or they think they are and aren't, or they're just total idiots and are bullshitting me, i dunno. it's a pretty messed up little birdie .

Originally posted by exalted512
nah, the difference b/t a brahma and a **** probably wont be audible if theyre in similiarly designed boxes

cool

car audio and electronics is probably the most biased car audio magazine out there
they say whatever the company(in that case JL) pays them to
or thats the way it seems...

that's not good...

[Originally posted by MacLeod
Im all about SQ and am also not much of a bass-head so my sub opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.

it will be a very small grain... this description applies rather well to me too

you had the diamond c3 on your list... how much better is the tdx?

ever heard the brahma? if so, where's that belong on your list?

MacLeod

Originally posted by exalted512
car audio and electronics is probably the most biased car audio magazine out there
they say whatever the company(in that case JL) pays them to
or thats the way it seems...
-Cody

Yeah I figured you say something like that.

So the reason Performance Auto Sound, Mobile Entertainment, Carsound and Performance and Car Audio and Electronics all give JL rave reviews is because JL pays them off?

You wouldnt happen to see black helicopters following you around do ya? Or maybe men in black suits with dark glasses outside your house?

"Hey just cause Im paranoid doesnt mean Im not being followed!"

MacLeod

Originally posted by neomagus00
you had the diamond c3 on your list... how much better is the tdx?

ever heard the brahma? if so, where's that belong on your list?

TDX is Diamonds top of the line and it is a hoss! These monsters can handle up to 1200 RMS!!!!!! That being said, they are way expensive and I would consider them more an SPL sub than one for SQ.

I like the CM3 because it will work in a very tiny sealed box which is perfect for my application and it handles a lot of power as well. From 400 RMS on the 8 all the way to 600 RMS for the 15.

I had never heard of Adire before some of the guys here started bringing them up so I know virtually nothing about them and have never heard one.

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod

So the reason Performance Auto Sound, Mobile Entertainment, Carsound and Performance and Car Audio and Electronics all give JL rave reviews is because JL pays them off?

not exactly, but ive heard so many people say they are biased towards certain companies
ask John, as a former subscriber he can tell you
if youve looked over the years they have given some great reviews to some crappy merchandise
-Cody