Sound United to buy Onkyo and Pioneer

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    FWIW, more portentous (and probably bad) hifi news:

    https://www.whathifi.com/news/marantz-brand-ambassador-ken-ishiwata-leaves-company-after-41-years

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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
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    What about Anthem? Outlaw? Emotiva?
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  • Emlyn
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    Arcam, Sony, Cambridge, NAD also all still market receivers of their own design. Granted that with the exception of Sony they don't cater to the budget market.

    I am wondering what happened with Pioneer's TAD line of speakers. Those were impressive!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    The TAD business, AFAIK, is still going strong. It is (or was?) also Pioneer's (erstwhile) pro/commercial driver business.
    http://www.technicalaudiodevices.com/company

    Some fine products over the years -- not inexpensive, tho'. B)

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    I just realized that, with this acquisition, Sound United will most likely adapt a new corporate slogan.
    All Your Bass Are Belong To Us

    B)
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
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    I don't think they'll completely integrate all the brands. The advantage to keeping them somewhat autonomous is that they can be spun-off separately sometime down the road, if desired. But, I haven't predicted anything else correctly in my earlier assessments of SU acquisitions...
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
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    Now all they need to do is acquire Bob Carver Corp, and FMalitz can be our new moderator in chief. And of course lets not forget the Carver tube sound bar with Alexa and Sonic Holography built in.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • F1nut
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    God forbid!!!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
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    Sony, Sherwood, Cambridge Audio, Nad, Anthem, Arcam....
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  • displayname
    displayname Posts: 1,129
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    For everyone tossing out Arcam, they were acquired by Harman. I'd imagine they've released most products that were in development prior to the acquisition, and I'd expect them to become slightly beefier versions of the current Harman Kardon lines in the future. They needed a mid-fi brand to close the gap between modern HK and Mark Levinson. We'll see how long they let that brand stay in that position before they water down the brand with more affordable releases.
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  • Rich502
    Rich502 Posts: 146
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    Wow, serious consolidation in the mass market audio game. Also, isn’t Harman owned by Samsung now?
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    Rich502 wrote: »
    Wow, serious consolidation in the mass market audio game. Also, isn’t Harman owned by Samsung now?

    Yes, for some time, actually (spring 2017).

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-completes-8-billion-harman-acquisition/
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,623
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    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    tophatjohnny wrote: »
    New brand on the way. Polkonkanier with Denon SU control. It's gonna be hot. Has me rethinking getting the Vega G2!!!😂😄🎩

    Polkonanier sounds like some kind of high-tech, must-have cycling accessory -- or maybe something used by the top-flight rock wall climbers.

    :|

    As a cyclist, I’m offended!

    We actually still chase independent companies...

    Why else would I pay soo much money for wheels built in N.C.?!
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
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    displayname wrote: »
    For everyone tossing out Arcam, they were acquired by Harman. I'd imagine they've released most products that were in development prior to the acquisition, and I'd expect them to become slightly beefier versions of the current Harman Kardon lines in the future. They needed a mid-fi brand to close the gap between modern HK and Mark Levinson. We'll see how long they let that brand stay in that position before they water down the brand with more affordable releases.

    And Harman International itself was purchased by Samsung.
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  • dolbyd
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    Good discussion on Sound United.
    Sad that they were both surprised Polk had a good speaker in the LsiM. How long has it been out? They both had never heard it.

    https://youtu.be/hkwDpGPoWHg
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    Office- Legend L600, in ceiling Polk RC80i, Marantz 7704, OPPO 203, Pioneer Elite PDF-59 CD, PSA Stellar 300, Sony 55" 800B, Gik room treatment

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  • dolbyd
    dolbyd Posts: 430
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    The Polk discussion starts at about 28:50
    Also it sounds like they have seen new product from Polk that is unreleased.
    Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 8805A, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, PS Audio AC-5 x8, AQ Rocket 33 Biwire speaker cables, AQ King Cobra XLR IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, Gik room treatments

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    SDA is coming back!

    https://www.soundandvision.com/content/sound-trip-big-easy
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,559
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    If you read between the lines it sure looks that way. I hope they do it right.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    F1nut wrote: »
    SDA is coming back!

    https://www.soundandvision.com/content/sound-trip-big-easy

    meh, it's just an effect.

    :#

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    Is that a really big amplifier in the back -- or is that just a poster?

    B)

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
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    In seriousness - is it coming back, or is it being recreated using DSP?

    On the plus side, (and, again, in total seriousness), the modern incremental revelation technique of marketing is working -- we're talking about it! :)


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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,369
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    If the photo I saw was an SDA speaker, it looks like they were angled backwards a bit for time alignment. Not sure.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
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    There is a lot of tech out there that Polk hasn't used in twenty years... SRT being among them. SDA itself, as it existed back in the day, has not been used for almost 30 years.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • FestYboy
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    Ok well since the cat's out of the bag, I can talk about what I saw in detail at the MD office. As I stated before in another thread, it's similar to the SRS 1 in configuration except there is no PR, it's now an active woofer. There is (was) a central spine that runs between the tweets and MWs. I suspect this is to take more advantage of side wall reflection ala Bose? The prototype at the time was capable of tri-amplification, I suspect that will not be the end result, but who knows. The finish was like bed liner, not sure if that will stay either. Look for updated LSiM tweets.

    I won't be able to afford them.... :/
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,369
    edited June 2019
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    I would hope they don't decide to have a routine 50 percent off sale if they hit the market!

    Am very interested to see what they are in final production. Who knows, they could be my "end game" speaker. Could be the active woofer is for DSP purposes and room gain matching where a passive radiator may not be as good in performance. I also hope they are not too big, but if it is a single design in the old 1C size that should be a good fit for most homes.
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  • rburgess714
    rburgess714 Posts: 616
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    Any guesstimates on release dates of this new line?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
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    My guess is never. I just don’t see these guys supporting Polk.
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  • rburgess714
    rburgess714 Posts: 616
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    The article certainly eludes to it.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    The article says August as I recall... highly doubt that we will see a demo round like they did for the LSiM
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,030
    edited June 2019
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    They're working the bugs out of the Alexa interface.

    :|

    I reckon the end product'll be internally amplfied with ICEpower modules or similar, probably on-board DSP tuning, too.

    I mean -- it is 2019.

    Now, where did I put that darned jet pack?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
    edited June 2019
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    ....
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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