Why has neutrik nl4 not taken over home audio

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,754
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Arguably a superior connection to even the best binding post and costs fractions, what's the rub?

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,576
    It's just not sexy enough ;)
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  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,145
    Funny I was wondering the same thing while I was putting together my nuetrik-dreadnaught cables. It seems secure, foolproof, and free from contaminants once it clicks into place.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    It's honestly just a better connection, period. But binding post as stated look higher end, I guess. Just seems foolish, same thing as using hdmi versus HD base t

    Ohh well!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    Yup...... I’ve debated making some of my own cables using Kimber 8TC. Banana at one end..... Neutrick at speaker since my next ones will be DIY based.

    I am going with Nuterick for my surrounds for sure, at least at the speaker end lol...
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,113
    Thanks to Trey, my 2.3TL's have 2 beautiful interconnect cables that connect to the terminal plates and dreadnaught case via NL4 connectors. :)
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    VR3 wrote: »
    Arguably a superior connection to even the best binding post and costs fractions, what's the rub?

    Very good question!
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    Can’t take bare wire without requiring another purchase.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    If a company started doing this, they would severely limit their market share.

    It is not the "standard" that is recognized across the industry. Most folks across the globe cannot mod the connections them self, they do not know anyone (nor would they want to ship) who could do the mod and the selections of "Upgrading" a cable right now stand next to zero.

    While I have these connectors in my rig, if I were to upgrade.....let's say my speaker cables.....what would my choices be?

    I rest my case.

    Tom

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,754
    You are just a negative Nancy

    They should start including them in speakers now and offering the option and in twenty years when this hobby is officially dead it will be the standard!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,148
    Hey, I'm all for it. They *should* be the standard IMO.

    I have not had a loose connection since these became the "standard" in my rig!

    Not sure in this case, "If you build it, they will come", applies here though. I'm afraid we will be stuck with Nanner's and wire for all time.

    Tom
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    edited January 2019
    I would add that the Neutrik's are much larger (~ 2X) than a typical binding post or IC interface. This would force the back panels to grow, the layout of the back panels to grow, add more material, and thus cost more. The size of the component chassis may even get larger as a result.

    Any component that incorporates them into their product would have to offer both options, much like the balanced and unbalanced IC's some companies offer on the back panels.

    I agree that they are far superior, but with manufacturers trying to keep costs down, and the industry standard being otherwise, it may take a while for it to be more common. Just my thoughts.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    My non powered dj speakers have used this connection for years.
    On a side note, for my powered dj speakers, they use powercon. For home audio, neither are common but in pro audio, its way more common.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,306
    While they're at it, Get rid of F-connectors and only use BNC :)
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    If I were "King of the World" I would fix it.
    I'd probably last about a week before I got shot.
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    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    If you have ever had a Chinese speakon knockoff get locked into an amp or speaker you might think different. Neutrik brand only in my pro rigs.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    It'll never happen, far too much home audio gear floating around in the world with binding posts on them already.
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