Parasound HCA 1500A amp and PLD 1500 preamp vs Yamaha A-S801 integrated

pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,391
I recently moved and have less space for my current 2-channel system:

Parasound HCA 1500A amp
Parasound P/LD 1500 preamp
Rotel RCC 1055 CD player
Polk SDA 2B TL speakers

I was thinking of going the integrated amp route and getting a new Yamaha A-S801 integrated amp, which gets a lot of great reviews (including on this site).

Would the Yamaha integrated be a step down in sound quality from the Parasound separates? I know the Yamaha integrated has 100watts compared to Parasound's 205watts but, prior to the Parasound, I also had the Polk SDAs driven by a vintage Yamaha CR 2020 receiver (100 watts) and there was plenty of power to drive the SDAs and the sound was excellent.The new integrated also has the advantage of having a built-in DAC and all of the modern digital capabalities.

While space is a concern, sound quality is a priority and I do not want to get the Yamaha integrated if it will be a step down in sound quality from the Parasound.

Any thoughts? Has anyone compared the Parasound 1500A vs Yamaha A-S801 integrated?

Thanks.

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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,986
    I got dibs when you put that hca1500 for sale. :D
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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 222
    edited December 3
    Yea if he decides he doesn't want it (HCA1500), let me know if and when you sell it.

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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 2,923
    edited December 4


    I would stay with the separates. Or step up in the intergrated choice.
    Post edited by motorhead43026 on
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,986
    edited December 4
    I've got a Yamaha CR1020 sitting around and a few SDA's, up until now, I had never considered pairing them together. Now I know it is not as potent as your CR2020, but now I'm curious.

    I, too am curious how that Yammy integrated measures up against the tried and true 1500. Although I've got a feeling it'll be an uphill fight.
    Post edited by la2vegas on
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 2,923
    edited December 3
    Now my Anthem 225 intergrated, will drive my 2B's with ease. As does my Hca-1500 with my P5 pre. Yet I prefer the Anthem hands down.
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk Signature S60's;Cables: Wireworld Eclipse IC; Audioquest Big Sur IC; ZU Audio Mission speaker cables; PS Audio AC-3 power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; SDA2BTL's, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

    Political memes posted as fact and accepted as fact, are sign language of the ignorant, for the ignorant

    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb and dumber.
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,332
    The Yamaha integrateds down to the S-A500 look nice, and so do their spec sheets. Without having heard them, I’d say they are probably a good choice, especially at the price point.
    But I’d stick with seperates.
    Micah

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,178
    I would temper your expectations. Not just because it's an integrated, but different sound signatures between the Yamaha and Parasound gear.

    I would imagine the Yamaha will have more detail in the sound, but not as weighty as the Parasound and sound stage may be a bit narrower.
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  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,391
    tonyb wrote: »
    I would temper your expectations. Not just because it's an integrated, but different sound signatures between the Yamaha and Parasound gear.

    I would imagine the Yamaha will have more detail in the sound, but not as weighty as the Parasound and sound stage may be a bit narrower.

    Thanks. The consensus so far seems to be that the Parasound separates would be a better choice than the Yamaha integrated. Do you agree?

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,645
    I think you'd be pleased with the Yamaha. As noted, it gets great reviews.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,332
    Just a thought... If you decide to go with the Yamaha, maybe give them a call to check if it is common ground before you buy it and blow it and your speakers up. I doubt that it is non-common ground, but it is something worth checking. :)
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,178
    pglbook wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I would temper your expectations. Not just because it's an integrated, but different sound signatures between the Yamaha and Parasound gear.

    I would imagine the Yamaha will have more detail in the sound, but not as weighty as the Parasound and sound stage may be a bit narrower.

    Thanks. The consensus so far seems to be that the Parasound separates would be a better choice than the Yamaha integrated. Do you agree?

    Better is only relative to the listener. Like F1NUT said, some like it a lot. For me, I've never heard a Yamaha product I could live with for music. Maybe their older vintage receivers.

    What you may find, is not necessarily a better or worse sound, but a different sound. That different sound may float your boat, or not. Sometimes we construe more detail in the sound as better, but also sometimes after a while we long for that little bit less detailed but more musical sound. Different strokes and all that.

    Your best bet is to try and get an ear on one, or look up reviews from people with similar associated gear. Sometimes reading the bad reviews too gives you some insight to the sound. In the world of reviews, you have to learn how to discern the knuckleheads from the true audio guys, so take things with a grain of salt.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 2,923
    I am a knucklehead.
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk Signature S60's;Cables: Wireworld Eclipse IC; Audioquest Big Sur IC; ZU Audio Mission speaker cables; PS Audio AC-3 power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; SDA2BTL's, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

    Political memes posted as fact and accepted as fact, are sign language of the ignorant, for the ignorant

    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb and dumber.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,178
    I should note, if I was in your shoes, going from separates to an integrated, no doubt in my mind that tubes would have to be involved. The Mac and the Carver in the other thread are perfect examples. Yeah, a bit pricey maybe, but those are integrateds that can last a life time.

    Cheaper.....look at some Musical fidelity offerings on the used markets. Otherwise, I'd strongly suggest an integrated with tubes, be it used or new, if you want better sound over what you have now.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,303
    Accessories 4 less just sold put of that Yamaha for $649.
    Question is the built in dac important? Besides what has been mentioned, I would also throw nad c368 in the ring as well.
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  • rburgess714rburgess714 Posts: 288
    I have an A-S501 paired with some 703s in my home office and have been impressed with this integrated. For the room it’s plenty of power. I have heard good things about 801.

    Have you considered a used Parasound Integrated. Built in DAC and 160 WPC.
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  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,391
    erniejade wrote: »
    Accessories 4 less just sold put of that Yamaha for $649.
    Question is the built in dac important? Besides what has been mentioned, I would also throw nad c368 in the ring as well.

    Thanks. Accessories 4 less had a factory refurbished model. The lowest price I have seen the Yamaha A-S801 sell for new is at Amazon, which had it for $813 a few days ago. Normally it sells for $899.
  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,391
    edited December 5
    tonyb wrote: »
    pglbook wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I would temper your expectations. Not just because it's an integrated, but different sound signatures between the Yamaha and Parasound gear.

    I would imagine the Yamaha will have more detail in the sound, but not as weighty as the Parasound and sound stage may be a bit narrower.

    Thanks. The consensus so far seems to be that the Parasound separates would be a better choice than the Yamaha integrated. Do you agree?

    Better is only relative to the listener. Like F1NUT said, some like it a lot. For me, I've never heard a Yamaha product I could live with for music. Maybe their older vintage receivers.

    Tony: Thanks for all of your feedback and insights. Do you thing the Yamaha A-S801 integrated would have the same kind of sound as the CR 2020 I had. I liked the looks and sound of that one a lot.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,264
    I’ve had the 801 on lsim 705s for a couple of years...it’s an awesome amp. Sold it this past summer, cause I was moved the 705s to the HT, and but if when I need another two channel amp I would strongly consider buying another. The USB DAC in it is absolutely fantastic, phono is good enough, otherwise the balance of the amp, clarity, upper and lower details are nearly perfect imo. Sounded great with everything I threw at it.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,178
    pglbook wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    pglbook wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I would temper your expectations. Not just because it's an integrated, but different sound signatures between the Yamaha and Parasound gear.

    I would imagine the Yamaha will have more detail in the sound, but not as weighty as the Parasound and sound stage may be a bit narrower.

    Thanks. The consensus so far seems to be that the Parasound separates would be a better choice than the Yamaha integrated. Do you agree?

    Better is only relative to the listener. Like F1NUT said, some like it a lot. For me, I've never heard a Yamaha product I could live with for music. Maybe their older vintage receivers.

    Tony: Thanks for all of your feedback and insights. Do you thing the Yamaha A-S801 integrated would have the same kind of sound as the CR 2020 I had. I liked the looks and sound of that one a lot.

    I doubt it, but I haven't heard the newer Yamaha int. like the 501 or 801. Again, depends on your preferences. Ears I trust say they are really good, but from personal experiences, a different sound isn't always better or worse, just more appealing, or not, to the listener.

    Buy it, see what the return policy is, this audio thing is trial and error anyway.

    My comments just reflect my own experiences with my ears. I find that the more detailed sound some newer pieces project, also lacks some weight and tone to the sound. This can be overcome with a good dac, the addition of tubes to your system, etc.
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