Insulating garage door
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John Megadeth wrote: »
Nice job. Every winter for the past 15 years I said I was going to do that. Couple of questions:Pic from the old house:
1. Did the panels stay on themselves without adhesive or tape of some type?
2. How did you get the panel behind the braces in the middle....did they just slide through?
3. Can you do my door? Ill buy you a six pack of your choice and throw in some old Monster speaker cable!😉
I assume the answer to #2 is they were cut to go around them. The markings on the panels seem to indicate that.
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No adhesive. They rest behind the flanges around the door panels, and friction fit.Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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EndersShadow wrote: »Ivan, how hard is it to replace the springs myself (remember its me), and would that be all I need to do, or would I need to make adjustments to the garage door motor or anything of that nature?
No need to just go and replace, my point was if and when they do break it might be better to go up in strength a little. IF you have someone out ask them whether they would recommend a little heavier. You may just be able to adjust them tighter to pull up the door a little better for the added weight. aprazer402 doesn't think that 20lbs is much and he is right somewhat. But your door as it sits now is adjusted for that weight with no insulation so adding 20lbs means your opener is now pulling harder on that door to raise it, when it goes down that weight is now pulling on the opener wanting to go down faster. The whole point of the springs is to help the door go up easy and restrict it from racing to the ground
make sense?
I've always been on this mentality. Like head lights replace in pairs when one goes out. Garage door springs are no different. Just as sure as you replace one and pay for the guy to do it 3 weeks later the other will break and another trip and service call bill.
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EndersShadow wrote: »Ivan, how hard is it to replace the springs myself (remember its me), and would that be all I need to do, or would I need to make adjustments to the garage door motor or anything of that nature?
Don't do it, Dan! I've seen you around tools!
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Kind of like my neighbor across from me. On a ladder cutting his own limbs bout 15yrs. back. Cut a limb about 30ft. long at the trunk and it knocked him off ladder crippling him for life. Said if he just would've had someone else do it this wouldn't have happened. I saw it happen and it was horriffic, broke just about every bone in his body.
I never even get on my roof anymore after that. Don't screw around if there's a chance you'd get hurt, just pay a door guy and be done with it. -
Screw it to the....door panels?DO IT, DO IT, DO IT...
Why adhesive? You can buy from 2-1/2" screws with buttons or washer that will hold the insulation just fine.
I think I may have the flu so bear w me!
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To check if your torsion springs may need a few twists, after install open the door 3 feet; it should stay open. If it falls closed, your springs need a little more pressure to account for the new weight. See youtube on how to adjust them.
I recently bought the Owens Corning garage door insulation kit for my shop door--pretty easy project and it made a huge difference. I believe it is R7 value. I'm gonna use the same kit(s) for my attached 3-car garage once I work up the energy.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
If I may ask, why do you have to keep the dogs in the garage ? They obviously haven't been previously, right ? What changed ? Mother in-law staying with you and hates dogs ?
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Tony.... we have 3 dogs now and that takes up darn near half our closet if they are in there. The newest one is a rescue and very print to accidents as he lived his whole life in a shelter so it’s gonna be hard to break him if that.
No other good place to put them and they are not trustworthy enough to leave out."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
A little late to the party here, but Ivan and Steve hit the nail on the head. Springs are there to “help” the opener or human when lifting the door to open and keeping it from slamming back to earth when closing it. A door should be balanced - explained well by Steve a couple posts up. Properly balanced, when the door is about 3’ open it should stay there (without the opener attached.
One question that hasn’t been asked is what type of springs do you have? Older doors just used long springs along (parallel to) the track that can’t be adjusted. Newer doors (probably in the 1980s and beyond) use torsion springs (look like a cylinder at the header along the top of the door with pulleys and cables connected to the door. These can be adjusted. BUT, I agree with everyone here - it could be very dangerous (there’s a reason they put the warnings on them!). I consider myself very handy, and even I won’t take the chances with a torsion spring! -
I think mine is the older version. I have some long spring things IIRC. Will take a pic later tonight.
I may just build a long box (with an open front) out of 2x4 and plywood with a outer layer of Plywood, then insulation, then an inner layer of ply wood and put the crates in there.
I then may get some warming lamps and install one for each cage to help keep them warm. I'd feel better doing warming lamps than running a space heater since well... dont wanna burn the house down.
Maybe put those on a timer or even control them remotely with my phone or something.....
Wouldn't be cheap, but likely cheaper than a tech, but gonna call to get a quote anyway just to see..."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Here are the instructions I followed to replace my torsion springs. I actually read the instructions at several sites. I ordered the new springs from a place in the mid west - maybe DDM.
It is one of the repairs that I really felt like eye protection was a GREAT decision. In fact, I would recommend body armor. It's funny that I didn't try DIY stuff much until I reached my 50's and 60's when it is more dangerous.
https://ddmgaragedoors.com/diy-instructions/replace-garage-door-torsion-springs.php
Replacing garage door torsion springs is dangerous because the springs are under tension. If you do not use the right tools and follow safe procedures, you could lose hands, limbs or even your life. You could also damage property. We want your business, but not at the expense of your well being. Doing the job right is your responsibility. If you have any doubts about your ability to safely change your springs, we recommend you hire a professional to repair your garage door. Safety First! Then work.
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newer tech allows the use of a drill for the tension springs instead of the rod and 4 way key. danger can be the same though.
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EndersShadow wrote: »Tony.... we have 3 dogs now and that takes up darn near half our closet if they are in there. The newest one is a rescue and very print to accidents as he lived his whole life in a shelter so it’s gonna be hard to break him if that.
No other good place to put them and they are not trustworthy enough to leave out.
Say what ? You kept the other 2 in a closet ? Dude....train them man. A dog wants nothing else than to be part of the family, protect it's families space, as in your home. You can train them not to chew stuff up, or crap in the house.
Yeah, accidents will happen along the way but that comes with the territory of owning a dog. It's winter bro, leaving them outside or in a cold garage, c'mon man.HT SYSTEM-
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3 dogs two kids and an audio addiction...... Dan is over extended lol
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There are still new garage doors that use the old-style coil springs on the sides rather than a torsion spring. Got two of 'em in our house, built 2011-2012.
It is exciting when one of those springs breaks -- which they do, sooner or later. Had it happen a couple of times in the previous house.
We ultimately had the doors on the old house replaced, and the installers did use torsion springs. I am not 100% sure why they didn't use 'em on this house (price, I am guessing).
We do have insulated doors. Our garage is heated, because it is above grade and there's living space (ahem, that'd be my hifi room) above it.
A heated garage is a nice thing.
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Back in days of old when those snapped Doc they bounced all over the garage. I think code(in our area anyways) they now must have an arresting cable through the spring to keep it from taking flight and maiming someone. It will sure scare the poooo out of you when they break while you're in the garage. I know !!!
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EndersShadow wrote: »Tony.... we have 3 dogs now and that takes up darn near half our closet if they are in there. The newest one is a rescue and very print to accidents as he lived his whole life in a shelter so it’s gonna be hard to break him if that.
No other good place to put them and they are not trustworthy enough to leave out.
Say what ? You kept the other 2 in a closet ? Dude....train them man. A dog wants nothing else than to be part of the family, protect it's families space, as in your home. You can train them not to chew stuff up, or crap in the house.
Yeah, accidents will happen along the way but that comes with the territory of owning a dog. It's winter bro, leaving them outside or in a cold garage, c'mon man.
Can't speak for Dan, but our boxer is very well-trained as far as potty and chewing things goes (she will jump in excitement on strangers lol), and she slept in a doggy bed on our master bedroom floor for years. About a year ago she started waking up 2-3 times a night and doing that crazy loud after-bath time shake, and would wake us both up. My wife has trouble getting back to sleep, so into the laundry room she went. Dogs are cave animals, they actually like sleeping in small, dark places once they get used to it...Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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EndersShadow wrote: »I think mine is the older version. I have some long spring things IIRC. Will take a pic later tonight.
I may just build a long box (with an open front) out of 2x4 and plywood with a outer layer of Plywood, then insulation, then an inner layer of ply wood and put the crates in there.
I then may get some warming lamps and install one for each cage to help keep them warm. I'd feel better doing warming lamps than running a space heater since well... dont wanna burn the house down.
Maybe put those on a timer or even control them remotely with my phone or something.....
Wouldn't be cheap, but likely cheaper than a tech, but gonna call to get a quote anyway just to see...
Before you posted this I was actually thinking that you should look for a small display model shed at one of the big stores and just insulate it. Wood isn't cheap anymore. By the time you get 2x4s and plywood for three little sheds, you may as well just by one and that way you can completely close it. With it closed, insulated, and three dogs inside, you may not even need a heat source.Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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We have two terriers that are well behaved when people are home (our corgi Fox couldn’t GAF about anything). When they (terriers) are left alone they get bored and destroy things. We don’t have a good place to cordon them off either.
They all actually like their crates so it’s not a “sad” thing and they are only crated when we are at work, otherwise all winter they are in the house, they sleep in our beds, and all summer they are outside running around (depending on temp), except for evening/night.
The “closet” was our master closet which is pretty large..... until you put 3 crates in it along the floor.... so it wasn’t a small closet by any means, and it has a window for light too..."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
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@EndersShadow don't know if you own or rent...
Best investment I ever made was an underground doghouse.... My dogs come In alot but stay out alot...
They love it hot or cold, been there three years with no issues and they literally live down there
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I may take a look at that, however it would likely still be an issue in winter with snow and frozen ground I would think...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Actually, I've done alot of research on this, back prior to my purchase
Underground is much much warmer in the winter and much much cooler in the summer...
What happens is my dogs go in the cave, approx 4 ft below ground, and push the cedar bedding over the opening and leave a small space at the top and they huddle up in there... Easily sustains low teen temperatures without problem. In the morning you come out to them exploding from cedar shavings at the opening happy as can be... I'm telling you, it has been a tremendous purchase for me. They absolutely love it as dogs naturally burrow to stay warm or cool- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
That is cool as all get out Trey!
I never knew there was such a thing. The things i learn on here.
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^^This^^
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"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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https://www.mfgservs.com/underground-dog-houses
This is who I purchased it from, it looks as if they discontinued it...hate I even brought it up now... The entire enclosure was actually extremely affordable, I want to say it was like 250 plus freight, which was up there... But they are alot closer to you than I am... I would Call them and see if you could entice them to make one...
If I ever move from. Here I will dig that thing up. And bring it with me...
There is one that floats around Facebook that is like 100 bucks but no where near as cool.
When I have a spare moment, I'll see if there is anything similar- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Appreciate it, he is my outside only dog. I adopted him from my sister in law... He was crammed in a little kennel due to his brute strength... But let's just say me and him get along fine and he is my little tank hahaha
He gets alot real well with my other male dog but my female. Hates him, which is fine because she stays inside due to a skin condition.
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I am also very intrigued Trey! We have one boxer but the kids want another puppy!Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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