PARASOUND HCA-1500A or Outlaw 5000?

MilitoMilito Posts: 224
edited November 18 in Electronics
Question, I have a 3:1 setup. If I got the Parasound would I notice a big difference having the 1500 driving my 2 speakers (S55's) and my 2070 Yamaha driving the center S30 or would I be better off get the 5 channel Outlaw to run all of my 3 speakers when watching movies or TV. What would give me better sound?

Needles to say the used Parasound would be the cheaper route to go, but if the Outlaw would be better I'll try to find a used one or maybe get a new one.

Sorry for all of the questions about amps, but I don't really have any experience with them.

Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,780
    Parasound is the much better amp. Your center doesn’t really need more power. Get the parasound. If you decide it really does t make enough difference then you will have no problem reselling it.
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  • The parasound is the better amp. But I like all my speakers to be powered from the same amp or amps. There will be a difference in sound characteristics from the L/R and the center, if you use the AVR and a two channel amp. For me it’s distracting although maybe not to everyone.

    You’ll definitely like the two channel better for stereo/music.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    Your speakers are pretty easy to drive, even with an AVR, so I don't think your going to see that much of an improvement in sound. There will be some, but it isn't going to be the game changer you may wish it to be.

    Your center is small too, and an easy drive for a AVR also, so amping that up is kind of a waste. If you get an amp, I'd pick the Parasound of the 2 choices.

    Before you get an amp though, maybe take a look at your cables and source your using for music first if you want better sound....then look at amps.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,780
    That’s a really nice, powerful avr. Small, easy to drive center with that avr, an amp is a waste imo.

    I agree with tony, the difference will be there with the parasound, but it won’t be massive. Definitely a subjective question whether or not it’s worth the upgrade.

    What are you trying g to accomplish? More warmth, more detail, better bass, something else? That might help us determine whether the amp is the best solution.
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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    Sound like the Parasound would be the better choice based on the responses. What would be a good price range for one.

    Instead of the amp would I be better off going with a better sub like a HSU VTF-2 which are on sale now?

    As far as sound, better detail and bass if possible with my speakers.

    As far as music source, CD's, zip drive with Flac songs on it and Pandora which I understand isn't high quality (my wife usually listens to it).
    Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 18
    The better subwoofer would help with the bass. Detail....depends, what is your source for music ? What speaker cables are you using ? How is the receiver set for music ? Pure direct mode, dolby, etc ? How is the system set up in the receiver ? Speakers set to large or small, crossover ? Channel levels ?

    First things first, lets make sure the receiver is setup to get the most out of what you have already before moving forward.
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    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
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    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    Tony crossovers is set to 80 on speakers and sub, speakers set to small, 2 channel for music. See my signature for my system. Music sounds the best playing my songs (Flac) on my zip drive into USB port.

    Speaker cables I'm using: https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT4NF

    Thanks.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 18
    I can't see sigs...anyway, What are the channel levels at ? Return them to 0 and we'll start from there . Try setting the speakers to large and see if that makes a difference. Should be a setting for large plus sub. How is the sub hooked up btw, LFE ? Your using the subwoofer out on the back of the receiver ?

    Cables are good, do you have the metal straps on between the top and bottom posts in the back of the speakers ?
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Tad 803 speakers
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    Yamaha RX-A2070, Polk S55, S30, PSW505, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Amp, Sony KDS-50A3000.

    I tried large and it didn't sound as good. Sub hooked up to LFE. speakers set to zero, sub -4 on speaker settings in speaker menu, + 3 in tone control menu on options. Subwoofer out on the back of the receiver, yes.
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  • Definitely the HCA-1500, I own one (although not in use) and consider it very good at what it does. You should pay no more than 400-450 for a unit in excellent condition.
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    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; SDA2BTL's, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    Thanks for the input on the HCA-1500.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 18
    The receiver should give you options for every input you have connected to it. Your cd input, and your USB input are your 2 music inputs your using. Check the settings on those inputs and make sure they are correct.

    The crossover on the back of the subwoofer should be set to it's highest value, since your using the crossover in the receiver. That way you won't have double filtering going on....if you haven't done that already. Have you tried spinning cd's in the BRP vs the cdp ?
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    Thanks Tony, I have them connected to the audio inputs and I have set the sub crossover to the highest setting on the back of the sub.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 18
    Something is amiss here, with those speakers set to small, you should have plenty of detail, and plenty of power from the receiver. If your using bare wire ends on the speaker cables, make sure at either end none of the plastic coating on the cables is caught inside the connecting posts. I'd also set that subwoofer level from -4 back to 0, and adjust using the volume control on the back of the sub.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Tad 803 speakers
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    I'm using banana plugs. I have detail, but would like more bass and detail. I may be at the max of my current setup, since I'm new at this I don't know. I believe I have everything connected correctly as I have done a lot of reading on my 2070 and how to set it up.

    Setting the Subwoofer level to -4, and adjusting using the volume control on the back of the sub to around 1:00 has given me the best sub response.

    That is why I was asking if a separate amp would be worth it or should I upgrade my sub.

    It could be my hearing, although I could tell a different in the different setups Skip had at his house when I went to the meet in Oct.

    I'm going to add an amp or upgrade my sub for Christmas.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 18
    To be fair, your comparing apples and oranges. Skip has some really nice gear floating around his house. While the Sigs are nice speakers, they aren't going to hold up to the Ushers or other speaks Skip has, plus his gear/cables is miles better than a receiver.

    Here's your problem with adding an amp. Your speakers are easy to drive to begin with. Add to that you have them set to small, which requires even less power because the subwoofer is doing all the heavy lifting.

    If that is how you intend to keep it, a better subwoofer might give you a better bang for your buck than an amp will.

    If you ever want to set it up as a 2 channel system, that's a whole other road to go down. Using a HT receiver for music is only going to get you so far.
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    edited November 18
    Thanks again for all of your input Tony, I really appreciate it.

    I understand that his gear is miles above mine. One of the reasons I went to the meet besides meeting people was to see if my hearing could tell the difference in different set ups. I started wear hearing aids about 2 years ago and I didn't want to spend the money on any upgrades if I wouldn't be able to tell a difference. Not to say my setup will ever approach the setups he has.

    So it sounds like I need to get a better Subwoofer first, then decide what other changes I need in the future. I really don't have any other rooms suitable for a 2 channel setup so my system is always going to be a trade off between the two.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    I wear a hearing aid as well my friend, so I know your dilemma. In my opinion, your money is better spent, at this point anyway, on the better subwoofer.

    When all is said and done, it may just be the Polk Sigs, just aren't your cup of tea. Nothing wrong with that either.
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,601
    I agree on a better sub way before an amp. The VTF-2 is a lot better sub than your 505.

    Get the sub in and run your AVR auto calibration to dial it all in. Chang speakers to small C/O to 80hz and enjoy

    Only way I would add an amp to your system is if you're going to 5.1.2 setup. Running 3 speakers you AVR can do it no problem.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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  • I suggest better sub, amp, source, preamp and then a full range mains change. This was the method I took when I decided that my goal was to get better 2 channel within my HT room. Each change should move you forward in your final goal, but you shouldn't ever buy a piece that dead ends or requires upgrading quickly. Look for power and signature sound in an amp and features like an HT pass-thru for your preamp.
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,062
    I am going to be the odd one out and suggest getting the parasound. The vast majority of tower speakers benefit from more power regardless of how easy they are to drive.

    The 1500A showed me what my speakers were truly capable of once they were hooked to it.

    I would get the amp, then start saving for a SVS sub.
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  • MilitoMilito Posts: 224
    Thanks everyone.
    Yamaha RX-A2070, VTF-2 MK5, S30, Sony BPD-S3200, Technics PD867, Audio-Technica AT-LP60, AudioQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable, Furman PL-8C 15 Power Conditioner, Sony 65" 900F.
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