Bare-bones integrated with subwoofer output

ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
edited October 2018 in Wanted (WTB) Classifieds
Stereo integrated amplifier. No frills.
No bluetooth, no DAC, no headphone jack, no phono stage, no balance or tone controls (if possible)
Minimal amount of inputs. Decent power output. A/B preferred, D acceptable. Must have subwoofer pre-out.

Does a product like this exist? If so, I want to buy it.



Here's a few that "kinda" fit:

https://audioengineusa.com/shop/amplifiers/n22-desktop-audio-amplifier/
(Leading contender)

https://nadelectronics.com/product/d-3020v2-hybrid-digital-amplifier/
(Original one doesn't have phono stage, both have BT)
"Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."

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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,835
    https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-100

    No frills (except headphone jack) and class A/B. Reviews outside of Emotiva are very positive for a simple but powerful little integrated amp.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    edited October 2018
    Not bad Zingo, not bad!

    The fact that it has a fan inside of it is a little silly, imo.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    edited October 2018
    It's not clear to me if the Emotiva's RCA output can be used as a subwoofer pre-out. They describe it as a "loop output" that mirrors the input signal. "A loop output provides a duplicate of the input signal to facilitate chaining additional amplifiers or other devices."

    In this case the output will be full range and not dependent on the volume control. I don't believe this would work as a subwoofer pre out.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,835
    It looks like you are right; buggers!
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,835
    I have this amp and the 301 a step above it and like both, but it does have a DAC function you don’t need.

    https://www.parts-express.com/teac-ai-101da-high-resolution-stereo-bluetooth-amplifier-with-usb-dac-2-x-26w--248-500
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    edited October 2018
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,369
    Wait.....did I just hear someone say "bare bones"?

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,960
    Vital question: what’s the budget? And does it HAVE to have no frills, or is that to keep it under a certain $$$ limit.
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    ;
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,722
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Wait.....did I just hear someone say "bare bones"?

    d1sk6lxmzq74.jpg

    Wait, that's not a pug, what gives?
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,369
    la2vegas wrote: »

    Wait, that's not a pug, what gives?

    All dogs are awesome! :)
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    This guy has a sub out! Sprout by PS Audio.
    jps7le4trcw3.png
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    Cute little guy!
    vxe6barft4j4.png
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,369
    verb wrote: »
    Cute little guy!

    Yeah, but those caps are already leaking.
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    Mmm, capacitor electrolyte used for popping corn! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,835
    Maverick Audio class A/B hybid integrated amp with preout.

    https://www.mav-audio.com/base/product/tube_magic_a1
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,639
    Mission Cyrus integrated would fit all your bills other than sub out. They usually go around $400 on eBay, although they aren’t too common AFAIK. Like my Mission speakers, only sold in England.
    I don’t know much about them, other than that they supposedly sound really good.
    Not Tom or Trey or Jim just Micah
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    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.

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  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    Hey Drew, how about an Ampino integrated? No sub out, but sweet! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,339
    edited October 2018
    or... or... or...

    Howzabout a high-quality power amplifier and a passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    This is the way I roll (well, I guess the high quality part's debatable) and it was trivial (at least from a logistical perspective) to add a (powered) subwoofer when the urge struck.

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    edited October 2018
    zingo wrote: »
    I have this amp and the 301 a step above it and like both, but it does have a DAC function you don’t need.
    I took a look at a few of the TEAC offerings last night, good call. They look to be well reviewed, but as you mention have the unnecessary DAC. Still, an option, as they don't seem to be in high demand which means that deals on eBay are likely to be had.

    verb wrote: »
    Interesting little guy. Vista Spark:
    The Spark would be absolutely perfect if it had the sub pre out.

    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Vital question: what’s the budget? And does it HAVE to have no frills, or is that to keep it under a certain $$$ limit.
    Under $500. It doesn't have to have no frills, but as my request is not typical (most people want more features, not less) it would be somewhat silly to pay for things that aren't needed.

    verb wrote: »
    This guy has a sub out! Sprout by PS Audio.
    The Sprout is a solid suggestion. It does have the unnecessary phono stage and BT, but the PS Audio build quality and sound might make up for that.

    verb wrote: »
    Cute little guy! (Orb Audio Booster)
    I saw this on Amazon last night! Not bad.

    zingo wrote: »
    Maverick Audio class A/B hybid integrated amp with preout.

    https://www.mav-audio.com/base/product/tube_magic_a1
    Now we're talking! This is the most promising option so far! Very cool!

    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Mission Cyrus integrated would fit all your bills other than sub out. They usually go around $400 on eBay, although they aren’t too common AFAIK. Like my Mission speakers, only sold in England.
    I don’t know much about them, other than that they supposedly sound really good.
    Hah, of course you would come through with a vintage suggestion! ;) Could be a cool choice, provided one can be found in good shape for a reasonable price!

    verb wrote: »
    Hey Drew, how about an Ampino integrated? No sub out, but sweet! :smile:
    No sub out, no deal!

    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    or... or... or...

    Howzabout a high-quality power amplifier and a passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    This is the way I roll (well, I guess the high quality part's debatable) and it was trivial (at least from a logistical perspective) to add a (powered) subwoofer when the urge struck.
    I like this suggestion as well as it opens up the flexibility of running whatever amplifier I want. Do you know of a nice passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    edited October 2018
    halo wrote: »
    Over specified budget.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,835
    edited October 2018
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I like this suggestion as well as it opens up the flexibility of running whatever amplifier I want. Do you know of a nice passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    https://luminousaudio.com/collections/axiom-ii-passive-preamp/products/axiom-ii-passive-preamp-walker-mod

    I like these a lot from Luminous Audio as they are well built, but they also perform really well since Tim builds it to your source and amp specs.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    Hell yeah! That's amazing.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,197
    I'm checking to see if a sub out might be possible on the Spark.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    halo wrote: »
    Why can't you just run line level to the sub & the speakers simultaneously, as @F1nut suggested in the Setting Up A Subwoofer for 2.1 thread?

    I don't know. I thought the pre-out method was the most easy and intuitive, with good sound quality.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • scubalabscubalab Posts: 2,814
    Drew - If you're considering used, I may be willing to part with my Music Hall A25.2. Fits all your needs, and would be WELL under budget. Nice little integrated that's 4 ohm stable with a sub out and definitely bare bones. Shoot me a PM if interested.

    -Al
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