Thinking of trying Clarity MR in 2.3TL
gmcman
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I will say that these 2.3's sound great with the Sonicaps. I'm not set on going with the MR's, but it seems these speakers have responded well to pretty much all the upgrades I've thrown at them, that's what makes this hobby great.
I would have probably bit the bullet and went with the MR's initially, except for they don't have all the matching values. I can use the 3.9 and 4.1 to get the 8uf, but what type of a loss would I get SQ wise paralleling 2 caps of different values, let alone being 2 caps, then there's the 5.8 where it comes up .2uf short.
Due to the price structure of these caps,
, I don't want to go at this blindly.
I do understand the tolerances and how close the caps are, but I would like to know if anyone has used these caps in the 2.3TL and what are your thoughts?
This is something I've been itching to try for awhile, however it's alot of money for solely trial and error.
I can match the 27uf, 18uf, & 16uf with a single cap, but the 8uf would require the 4.1uf & 3.9uf in parallel, then the 5.8 is the last issue, and I could just leave the Sonicap in there for the 5.8.
I did speak to a few people about this, and Dave was a wonderful help explaining the complex crossover networks these speakers have. I understand it's more than just a cutoff frequency, and I don't want to change how these speakers are designed to interact with each other. I will likely not hear the difference based on tolerances, which is why I'm curious if anyone has gone about this.
Worst case I can change all the caps, go with the 5.6, and change out the 5.6 later if it makes a noticeable, negative difference. With that cap I believe its about a 7% difference so it makes the choice harder.
We also discussed the engineers set these crossovers up a certain way, and I like the way they work, so for the record, I don't want to re-invent the wheeI. I just know enough about the complexity of the crossover to be dangerous, but would like to know how the changes in these cap values affect the whole parameter of the crossover.
Reason for the move....is since the CMR is replacing the MR, at least that's the way I understand it, some reviews haven't been as positive as I imagined they would with regards to the CMR. Some feel the MR is more forgiving but that's just heresy. I would like to move on them in case some values that match do go away.
All criticism and input is more than welcome.
I would have probably bit the bullet and went with the MR's initially, except for they don't have all the matching values. I can use the 3.9 and 4.1 to get the 8uf, but what type of a loss would I get SQ wise paralleling 2 caps of different values, let alone being 2 caps, then there's the 5.8 where it comes up .2uf short.
Due to the price structure of these caps,
, I don't want to go at this blindly.I do understand the tolerances and how close the caps are, but I would like to know if anyone has used these caps in the 2.3TL and what are your thoughts?
This is something I've been itching to try for awhile, however it's alot of money for solely trial and error.
I can match the 27uf, 18uf, & 16uf with a single cap, but the 8uf would require the 4.1uf & 3.9uf in parallel, then the 5.8 is the last issue, and I could just leave the Sonicap in there for the 5.8.
I did speak to a few people about this, and Dave was a wonderful help explaining the complex crossover networks these speakers have. I understand it's more than just a cutoff frequency, and I don't want to change how these speakers are designed to interact with each other. I will likely not hear the difference based on tolerances, which is why I'm curious if anyone has gone about this.
Worst case I can change all the caps, go with the 5.6, and change out the 5.6 later if it makes a noticeable, negative difference. With that cap I believe its about a 7% difference so it makes the choice harder.
We also discussed the engineers set these crossovers up a certain way, and I like the way they work, so for the record, I don't want to re-invent the wheeI. I just know enough about the complexity of the crossover to be dangerous, but would like to know how the changes in these cap values affect the whole parameter of the crossover.
Reason for the move....is since the CMR is replacing the MR, at least that's the way I understand it, some reviews haven't been as positive as I imagined they would with regards to the CMR. Some feel the MR is more forgiving but that's just heresy. I would like to move on them in case some values that match do go away.
All criticism and input is more than welcome.
Comments
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Trey uses the 5.6 in place of the 5.8. From my understanding when paralleling two caps it's best to keep them as close to splitting the values as possible that is pretty darn close. Question is why not two 4.1? There is a 3% tolerance in the caps is that .2 going to throw it off that much? I'd think not myself. In talking to both Trey and Dave changing out the inductors as well is one of the better upgrades as well.
Those are some premium caps and Trey has had nothing but praise for the newer line that has came out.
Then again Sonicap has all the exact values it just depends on what flavor you want as the end result. I don't know you could go wrong either way to be honest. -
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/claritycap-mr-capacitor-400vdc/claritycap-8.2-mfd-400v-mr-range-polypropylene-capacitor/
Anything within 5% is ok. Never had any issues, same with the 5.6 instead of the 5.8
The new CMR is a little warmer, IMO.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
The new CMR is a little warmer, IMO.
That's reassuring....thank you.Question is why not two 4.1?
I need a 8uf for the top tweeter.
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Worst case I can change all the caps, go with the 5.6, and change out the 5.6 later if it makes a noticeable, negative difference. With that cap I believe its about a 7% difference so it makes the choice harder.
Check your math Doug, you're within 3.6%
Also, the 8.2uf is perfectly acceptable for the 8uuf @ 2.5%Home Theater/2 Channel:
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No idea how I doubled my answer...but thanks....
Too lazy to put it on paper I suppose.
Ok, I'll run some numbers and see what's avail. I wanted to do the tweeter network first then possibly add the woofers. Based on old posts it seems these caps will be a hard fit on Tony's boards.
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Yes there are yuuuge. Then again they are 400v instead 200v
