Feels like Christmas at the Stangman household! Focals and Rhumba are here!

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    stangman67 wrote: »
    Thanks for the info. The ones I bought are labeled RCA, I hope they do at least fairly well. I got the suggestion for these (RCA triple mica 5814) from a professional reviewer of the Rhumba. If not I will hunt for some decent priced Aperexes. I am learning a ton already, thanks a bunch for the insight

    Triple mica RCA's are 5814's to get of the RCA 5814's. I'd be interested to see some close up photo's. Tube companies back then bought tubes from other manufacturer's to fill open orders. So again, learning the construction cues can help determine what you actually have. RCA, Raytheon, CBS all marketed each other's tubes under their own names. Especially after the mid to late 50's. CBS still sold tubes into the 70's but they stopped manufacturing their own in the mid-late 50's and just bought other manufacturer's tubes and put their label on it. Back then no one cared. They just needed a replacement tube.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    I’ll post some photos of them when I receive them. Upscale seems to have a very slow shipping process
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Strange. I ordered from Upscale and they shipped super fast.
    stangman67 wrote: »
    I’ll post some photos of them when I receive them. Upscale seems to have a very slow shipping process

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,648
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    edited February 2018
    halo wrote: »
    @heiney9 & @stangman67,

    What about Mullard (NOS - not the "new" Mullard tubes)?

    Depends on the Mullards. I prefer the early long plates w/the square getter from Blackburn. Mullards tend to have a bit of exaggerated midrange and can be slightly rolled off. But a nice warm sound, great for vocals. The short plates from Mitcham are a bit more balanced. The long plate square getters are superb and superbly rare and expensive.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Got some new tubes in today from Brent Jessee! Got some NOS Mullards and NOS Amperex bugle boys based on his recommendations. I’m going to give the Amperex a listen for a few weeks and then throw the Mullards in and go from there. The Amperex has great bass response and the highs are not as crazy energetic as the rca clear tops so far (although a second set of rcaI bought actually sound pretty good to my ear).
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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    I have a quick question for the tube experts. The Mullards I bought from Brent are “Mullard shied logos”. They are labeled differently and a few years apart, Brent assured me they are the same tubes, just made by Mullard for different companies. He said in order to make the best matched pair, different labeled tubes would be best. I said no big deal as I wasn’t planning on selling them. I threw them in today and one of the tubes “flashes” bright when I start my prep amp and the lower part of the tube stays fairly lit up. The other does not flash and the lower part of the tune stays way dimmer than the other tube, almost to the point where I can’t see any light from it. The difference follows the tube when I switch channels. Is this something that should concern me or just normal differences in tubes?

    @heiney9
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Is it the plate that's lighting up excessively, like this?

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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    No not at all like that. That’s a bad sign! The heater glow in one of them is of normal brightness and the other is almost nonexistent
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Well I have no idea, maybe @mhardy6647
    stangman67 wrote: »
    No not at all like that. That’s a bad sign! The heater glow in one of them is of normal brightness and the other is almost nonexistent

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Got another new toy today! Pictures to follow
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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    SA-8005 to replace my CD-6006. The sheer weight difference between the two units is substantial

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Nice, any first impressions?
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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Nope, nothing yet. Gonna give the time ample burn in before I start critically listening. I can say the convenience of the (quality) onboard dac is a welcome thing. Switching from CD to my streamer is now just the press of an input button on the Marantz remote. My MF dac was great but so far the Marantz dac doesn’t seem to be worse than the MF
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,282
    Nice. That's a pretty nice player to move into. Enjoy it bud.
  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,350
    Very nice system you have. I enjoyed the Rhumba in the short week I had it on the demo tour.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    Do let us know if you come across any "must hear" SACDs on your journey :)
    stangman67 wrote: »
    Nope, nothing yet. Gonna give the time ample burn in before I start critically listening. I can say the convenience of the (quality) onboard dac is a welcome thing. Switching from CD to my streamer is now just the press of an input button on the Marantz remote. My MF dac was great but so far the Marantz dac doesn’t seem to be worse than the MF

    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Rocking out to some Pearl Jam right now. Sounds absolutely fantastic on this rig
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,140
    That Marantz is a great unit. I absolutely love mine.
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,410
    I love my Marantz and question whether I can actually better the sound with a DAC addition, and, if so, at what cost.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,648
    kharp1 wrote: »
    I love my Marantz and question whether I can actually better the sound with a DAC addition, and, if so, at what cost.

    There ya go again, limiting yourself because of money. :p

    Off the top of my head, a dac in the 2-3k range used may offer enough substantial improvements to be worth moving up. Add the extra costs of good cables to that though.
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    edited February 2018
    stangman67 wrote: »
    I have a quick question for the tube experts. The Mullards I bought from Brent are “Mullard shied logos”. They are labeled differently and a few years apart, Brent assured me they are the same tubes, just made by Mullard for different companies. He said in order to make the best matched pair, different labeled tubes would be best. I said no big deal as I wasn’t planning on selling them. I threw them in today and one of the tubes “flashes” bright when I start my prep amp and the lower part of the tube stays fairly lit up. The other does not flash and the lower part of the tune stays way dimmer than the other tube, almost to the point where I can’t see any light from it. The difference follows the tube when I switch channels. Is this something that should concern me or just normal differences in tubes?

    @heiney9

    Sorry I missed this until now. Totally normal for a European made tube to "flash" on start-up, nothing to worry about.

    All that matters on Euro tubes from Philips (Mullard, Amperex, Valvo, etc, etc) is the manufacture code. Labels mean very little and as long as the construction is the same or similar there are no issues. I have several Hamburg tubes with various labels on them.

    I'll let you in on a little secret. If (2) tubes are the same build code and one has a Mullard label and one has a Dynaco label, chances are the Mullard label will sell for more. Some people want that label. I don't care and only look at the manufacturing code and have gotten some steals because they are no name labels.

    I have a pair of Zenith labeled Valvo Hamburg coded tubes, paid about 1/2 what a Valvo labeled tube of the exact same build code would be. This is also why it helps to learn the construction cues of certain types of tubes, so you can recognize them instantly. If you buy by labels, they can be extremely unreliable in identifying a certain tube. Back then tube companies swapped inventories all the time.

    Amperex is the American label for Holland made Philips tubes, Bugle Boy is a marketing label, that's all! So many people state the BB's sound better than regular Philips Holland tubes. BB was an American marketing tool only! They are NO different than any other Philips made Holland tube. So many people pay more for BB's, it's a waste of money unless you like the way the BB label looks. The only exception are BB's with a treble cleft on the tube. That means it's specially screened for low noise and tight match. Those are worth a little extra $$$

    But you can find Amperex labeled tubes that aren't from Holland, so again labels don't mean much, codes and construction cues, rule the day.

    H9

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Thanks for the response! My major question is should I be worried in the brightness of the two tubes?
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    stangman67 wrote: »
    Thanks for the response! My major question is should I be worried in the brightness of the two tubes?

    No, unless it's cherry red all the time, I wouldn't worry. Tube heaters vary in intensity and brightness. Tubes are hand made so there are variances in build that can cause them to have a dimmer or brighter visuals. Most times you can't just look at a tube and tell if it's bad or going bad, etc. Power tubes are a different animal. I'm talking about small signal tubes.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    edited February 2018
    I have a Euro signal tube that one of the heaters (wire connected from the PIN to the grid) is bright pink all the time. I've run it quite a bit, no issues. Also have tubes where the top of the grid rods are very bright, others barely show.........all normal variances.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • stangman67stangman67 Posts: 1,307
    Great, thanks for the info
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,648
    Brock should have told you the truth....that one tube flashing like that will create a wormhole sucking you into another dimension where Russ is a clean cut Disney land employee changing lightbulbs in "It's a small world".

    The risk is yours my friend. ;)
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,125
    The cat is out of the bag! Shhhhhh Tony, some things are just better if they are experienced. I do want to see Russ as a clean cut Disney Tech....lmao!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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