Filling speaker stands with Kitty Litter?

dragon1952
dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
edited April 2004 in Speakers
Tell me, please.....is this a really "****" idea? :D
It's just sand with a little chlorophyl added....right? :confused:
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited April 2004
    don't do it.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited April 2004
    You'd have better luck with just sand than with litter. That litter stuff isn't dense enough.....
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    I was hoping for some scientific facts...there's gotta be something more. You see....Sparkles the Cat recently disappeared (coyotes no doubt)....and I've got a shitload of kitty litter and no sand. This has got to be OK....you ever hefted a bag of Tidy Cat?...that stuff is just as heavy as sand.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2004
    Why even ask...just do it :)
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited April 2004
    It's a matter of Weight stabilization. Sand has more mass per cubic ltr cubed. EXPERIMENT. That's the WHOLE nature of this site. LET US KNOW!!!


    (FYI, sounds pretty sh!itty!!!;) )

    FWIW: Sorry to hear about Sparkles. That kinda stuff happens. I worry 'bout Fluff all the time... I hope she's a smart kitty!!!

    Tell Everyone My Condolences.

    Anthony
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    Sorry to hear about Sparkles.
    Thanks.....she was the best cat I've ever owned by far :(

    The kitty litter probably has better absorbtion properties than the sand, possibly negating the slight disadvantage in denseness.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited April 2004
    Are you goin to PISS into your speaker stands? (i'm hoping not....)

    Therefore the potential for it to soak up NOTHING makes a waste of space.......(reminds me of BW)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited April 2004
    OK, I have to jump on this one.

    The only fear I have is this kitty litter can retain moisture, and this may damage speaker. So I would use sand over litter, and I do think sand is heavier.

    Also before I go....

    Sorry about our cat Sparkles.



    Originally posted by dragon1952
    Tell me, please.....is this a really "****" idea? :D
    It's just sand with a little chlorophyl added....right? :confused:

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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    Therefore the potential for it to soak up NOTHING makes a waste of space
    Uh....it was in reference to absorbing resonances and other unwanted stuff...talk about bw, jeez, lighten up! :rolleyes:
    Where does it say you have to use only lead shot or sand anyway. The point is to add weight.....nuts, screws, rocks, pennies, gold bullion...etc.

    PS...thanks about Sparkles.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2004
    I fill my stands with coins....like a piggy bank ;)
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  • pjdami
    pjdami Posts: 1,894
    edited April 2004
    We had a thread about this a while back.

    http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10777&highlight=bulk+density

    Sand is the best best. It has a high bulk density and is much cheaper than "shot".

    Kitty litter isn't too bad either.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2004
    how is it gonna absorb moisture enclosed in a speaker stand?
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    True...besides it's a very dry room anyway so I don't think moisture would be an issue.....I live in So.Cal. remember....we don't know what moisture is....but even sand would absorb moisture. I like the piggy bank idea too....the more you saved the better your speakers would sound....gives you a little added incentive.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2004
    yea sure...fill ur stands with a couple bucks in pennies lol
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    You wouldn't have to use pennies....even if you did I'm guessing 20 bucks per speaker stand.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2004
    Mass is better than air, period, who gives a shite what creates it.

    I say fill it with solid 24K gold, that is the only real way to accomplish the task for this joint.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited April 2004
    Interesting... A heavier speaker stand will make your speakers sound better???
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2004
    A speaker, with the ability to radiate it's sound, without any outside factors, to include mounting factors....is more in line with its design, and development criteria. Frequency response, performance, etc.

    Loudspeakers are designed in "ideal" enviroments.....the real world application rarely has an "ideal" enviroment. The more you can accomodate a speakers' ability to simply radiate the sound it was designed to, in the first place, IMO the better.

    True performance.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited April 2004
    If you're going for pure mass weight.....lead. The more weight the better.


    Very sorry to hear about Sparkles. :(
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2004
    If your stands are metal I would be afraid the kitty litter may have some chemicals in it which may cause a reaction. I have no idea what kitty litter has in it though.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited April 2004
    You living in Southern Cal, it may not be a problem. I live in Florida so say I think it would be a problem. Either way wouldn't take the chance. Having a cat myself I just don't really care for Cat Litter, for anything but he's BOX.

    I even think Sand cheaper then Cat Litter.




    Originally posted by dragon1952
    True...besides it's a very dry room anyway so I don't think moisture would be an issue.....I live in So.Cal. remember....we don't know what moisture is....but even sand would absorb moisture. I like the piggy bank idea too....the more you saved the better your speakers would sound....gives you a little added incentive.

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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited April 2004
    Just to clear up my point......I didn't mention the absorption issue because of it being a problem with retaining water. Think of the litter as if it were a dried out sponge. The aerated pieces of the litter (which are designed to soak up the moisture) are in essence air filled pieces that wouldn't be AS effective as sand because of (as Doro and others pointed out) the difference in the overall density.........

    I wasn't saying that having kitty litter in your speaker stands will draw liquids to them......:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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  • gmorris
    gmorris Posts: 1,179
    edited April 2004
    Plus, Kitty Litter may have a smell all on its own. If you want your listening room to smell like a litter box, go for it.

    You never know, if you get a new cat, or hopefully the missing one comes back, it may start spraying all over the speaker stands.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    If your stands are metal I would be afraid the kitty litter may have some chemicals in it which may cause a reaction.

    That's what I was looking for! My initial thought exactly!
    If you want your listening room to smell like a litter box, go for it.

    Good point!
    BTW....I am NOT going to do this. It was just a funny thought that came to my mind as I passed the boxes of Kitty Litter out in the garage the other day. I thought I'd throw it out there for fun.....not that it WOULDN'T work, mind you! ;)

    Appreciate all the condolences RE: Sparkles......what a great cat she was :(
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited April 2004
    I've heard of people doing it in the past. Sure it's not as heavy as sand, but it has a higher rigidity/mass ratio. It's not perfectly round, so after tamping, the granules tend to interlock with one another.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2004
    but this isnt a debate over if sand or kitty litter is better, just a question about if he can use the kitty litter that he already has to fill speaker stands. im pretty sure we all agree that the answer is yes, you can use it. but would u want to? probably not. it might not smell, and it might be heavy enough, and it might not absorb moisture, but if ur really that tight financially that u cant buy some sand, then sure, y not use some kitty litter to see how it works. who knows, it could be great for filling stands.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,055
    edited April 2004
    it maybe better than using sand from a local school yard which a cat may have already used !!! full is better than empty what it's filled with is another story
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited April 2004
    Originally posted by Airplay355
    ....but if ur really that tight financially that u cant buy some sand, then sure.......
    LOL......says one of our little dependents :p
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2004
    hey man i had to file a tax return too! lol
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2004
    ....but if ur really that tight financially that u cant buy some sand, then sure.......

    Hey.......i don't need no stinkin' money....I've got a Home Depot credit card ;)
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