Dual Rythmik F-25 Direct Servo subs - On the way!
treitz3
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Hello all, I just now pulled the trigger on another milestone for my rig. 2 ea. Rythmik Direct Servo sealed subs with dual 15" cones and an 800w plate amps.
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25.html
These will be replacing the 2 Tyler Acoustic subs I got from Trey years ago. I heard a sub at an audio event last year that was hands down the fastest, cleanest, most audio precise sub I had ever had the pleasure of hearing. It was also one of the ugliest subs I have ever seen. After a bit of research and talking to Gary Koh (The owner of Genesis), most all suggestions pointed to Rythmik subs being the best cost to performance ratio of the direct servo subs on the market today.
I read every single thread here at CP and many other threads on other forums regarding anything and everything Rythmik and the general consensus with Rythmik subs was that once folks bought them, they either upgraded to another Rythmik or never sold them. I don't recall anyone having any issues with them at all, just praise....and a lot of that praise suggested the direct servo subs were not a subtle change.
While I don't usually but things for my stereo unheard, I made an exception with these based upon my research and also based upon what I heard with the aforementioned "ugly" sub. I got two of them, so that I can enjoy the lower reproductive effort in stereo. I have been enjoying the subs in stereo for years now with the Tyler's but this (based upon what I heard) should be a significant upgrade to the rig's overall performance. It should even best the Velodyne SMS-1 and VMPS Larger with upgrades setup I had years back. THAT was one dumb decision to get rid of that combo but I wanted to KISS and the SMS-1 was just another non-"needed" component within the chain. This should more than make up for that loss.
Looking forward to the new toys! They will be delivered while my rig is being featured at an audio event up toward Bryson City, NC so they will get plenty of burn in time....although, I don't know if burn in time really relates to subs. We shall see on that one.
Whooooo-Hooo!!! *dances*
Tom
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25.html
These will be replacing the 2 Tyler Acoustic subs I got from Trey years ago. I heard a sub at an audio event last year that was hands down the fastest, cleanest, most audio precise sub I had ever had the pleasure of hearing. It was also one of the ugliest subs I have ever seen. After a bit of research and talking to Gary Koh (The owner of Genesis), most all suggestions pointed to Rythmik subs being the best cost to performance ratio of the direct servo subs on the market today.
I read every single thread here at CP and many other threads on other forums regarding anything and everything Rythmik and the general consensus with Rythmik subs was that once folks bought them, they either upgraded to another Rythmik or never sold them. I don't recall anyone having any issues with them at all, just praise....and a lot of that praise suggested the direct servo subs were not a subtle change.
While I don't usually but things for my stereo unheard, I made an exception with these based upon my research and also based upon what I heard with the aforementioned "ugly" sub. I got two of them, so that I can enjoy the lower reproductive effort in stereo. I have been enjoying the subs in stereo for years now with the Tyler's but this (based upon what I heard) should be a significant upgrade to the rig's overall performance. It should even best the Velodyne SMS-1 and VMPS Larger with upgrades setup I had years back. THAT was one dumb decision to get rid of that combo but I wanted to KISS and the SMS-1 was just another non-"needed" component within the chain. This should more than make up for that loss.
Looking forward to the new toys! They will be delivered while my rig is being featured at an audio event up toward Bryson City, NC so they will get plenty of burn in time....although, I don't know if burn in time really relates to subs. We shall see on that one.
Whooooo-Hooo!!! *dances*
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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That will definitely get the job done!!! Congrats and looking forward to your review.2 Channel
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Your new name is endershadow jr......
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I have one and I love it for HT and music. Awesome unit. You will enjoy all the adjustments on the plate amp.
It was very cool when the 45' UPS big rig truck stop in front of the house for delivery.
Cheers
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Your new name is endershadow jr......
Um......*chews carrot*......why is that, Doc?
That one went over my head like a 747 running full tilt with the jet stream pushing it along the way.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I think it's an allusion to your apparent bass whoriness.I disabled signatures.
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Nice! Dual 15 and you got a pair. 4 15s..,,
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Very good window panes or an open window are in your future.
Congrats Tom. That would be something I'd like to get ears on. -
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Because to Russ I am a basshead with my single 18" Ultimax in a 4 cubic foot box in the corner, and my 4 x 12 in a 6 cubic sealed box next to the sectional, both running off bridged Crown XLS2000's and their own circuit.....
He things I'm the resident nut, until Ryan unleashes his 6 18" subs later this year"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If anyone is at or near Bryson City, NC from the 8th through the 17th? Feel free to hit me up. My entire system will be featured at this year's Carverfest.
While I may not have these subs until Friday or possibly Monday, the 11th, the system without these subs and just using the Tyler's is a treat to experience.
ES, I gotcha. *winks*
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Subs absolutely burn in... c'mon man, where have you been.
Those suspensions are super stiff when you first turn them on- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
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That actually makes sense, Trey. Never really thought about that aspect before but it makes perfect sense.
If when I get them, they sound better and tighter than the Tyler's (which I am honestly expecting TBH), I'll be happy. If not, I'll keep the Tyler's in the rig for CF and burn them in at my pad.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
This will be sweeet, the 2 channel purists can suck it! Subs in a 2 channel system rule!2 channel:
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Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
I spent most of Friday searching for a couple of subs on the net.
These and Hsu seem to shake out the best for what I was thinking of doing.
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"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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Congrats Tom! Direct servo subs are super tight and sick in an awesome way!Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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Dual F-25's mated with Pass, Magico, etc.....that's just what heavy hitters do! At least those 2 channel audiophiles that have no prejudice against subwoofers in their system.
That setup is going to be so nice!2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
I wanna know whats gonna happen to those Tyler subs hehehehe"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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Thanks gentlemen. I found out yesterday that they have been delivered to the cabin office about 7 miles away from the cabins. I drive up there tonight and will pick them up in the am.
Looking very forward to hearing what they sound like. I hope to the man above that they are as good as the sub I heard last year. That was the "ugly" sub I referred too earlier. That was hands down, the tightest, most powerful, non-locational sub I have ever heard in my travels to date. These two, in theory, should be right up my alley. *prays*
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Tell us what the Bobfather thinks of them as well
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Will do buddy. He's looking forward to hearing what we have done to the crossovers. His response when he saw the photo of the size of them was funny. Most everyone thinks that the crossover units ARE the subs.
BTW, the Tyler's will be going up for sale. I need to figure out what I am going to sell them for first.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
How the hell do you pick up 140lb each sub off the ground?
Get help! Don't hurt yourself. Been there. It's not easy for a single person to pick one up unless you are a Bigfoot! lolTrying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Also, room correction should not be ruled out before there is final say on good bass in a room. Some rooms needs it more than others, Bass is a different beast.
Like this guy here....plugging the speaker ports, adjusting x-over, and using room correction may have been the different between sending the sub back or awesome tight well integrated bass. Use the tools available if needed audiophiles out there...don't make faces!Kevin B. wrote:I have now had the LVX12 for about 4 months now and all I can say is WOW! It is so satisfying to now be able to differentiate the many subtleties of those bottom octaves. Not just hear them but feel them as well. It puts a smile on my face every time I fire up my system. Thanks for making such an outstanding product.
On a side note, I have B&W bookshelf speakers and after running room correction it set the crossover at 80hz. I played with 100hz also but felt that the mid bass did not sound as clean. Then I read an article by Dr. David Rich about integrating ported bookshelf speakers with subwoofers. He found that by plugging the ports he could integrate them better and the sound would be cleaner at the crossover point. I plugged mine and reran room correction and the crossover was set at 100hz. He was right, doing this cleaned this area up tremendously and it allowed the sub to better handle that area of mid bass. I now have fantastically tight bass with the punch I have always wanted.
Trying this with ported floor standing speakers may also help other customers depending on model.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Got them set up, dialed in and with a one word review? Perfect.
Bob Carver sat down and listened last night for a while. Just him and I. We listened to some selections including Natalie Cole and Nat King Cole's, "Unforgettable". Hugh Masekela's "Stimela" and Pink Floyd's "DSoTM". At one point, I went out to enjoy a smoke on the deck and next thing I know, Bob cranks the rig up to about 25% louder than I would ever listen to it at. That's freakin' LOUD!.
I walk back in and when the song was over, I was expecting him to say some negative comments and the words out of his mouth were, "as loud as I had it? There was zero distortion, None" Previously this same day, he detected clipping on a pair of quads at a very low level. (I didn't even detect it.....at all)
They blend seamlessly into the room and to the speakers. It may have taken me two days to optimize the location and settings but once I was satisfied with everything, no matter what you play, be it vinyl or digital, it all sounds as if I do not have subs. Just one full range speaker that is as tight as a gnat's a**. Zero overponderance whatsoever with authority that surpasses even the ugly sub I heard last year.
So with that said, these are hands down the absolute best and most accurate subs I have ever laid my ears on and are perfectly suited for 2 channel critical listening for even the most discerning audiophile. Yes, even better than the VMPS Larger and Velodyne SMS-1 combo I had many moons ago. Not even a close comparison, honestly.
I am glad I got dual. I am finding out that many, many songs have lower octaves that are also in stereo. That just makes you hear and notice things that this man never thought existed in recorded music. This makes the illusion of sounds coming from beyond the floor to 10' above the stereo and 14' from outside of both the speakers jaw breakingly wonderful. Simply put? Awesome.
"Sick" (in a good way) would be another way to describe the reproductive effort my rig offers now. Definitely "World Class".I would personally highly recommend these subs to anyone who truly cares about precision with authority in the lowest of octaves.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
So, I'm guessing you like???
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Don't know much about subs.
What are you driving them with or are they powered?Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
1KVA Dreadnought
Marantz SA 8005
Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
Sony PS4
Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video
"All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER" -
Ok. I see they are powered. How are they controlled; connected to the preamp in a two channel system?Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
1KVA Dreadnought
Marantz SA 8005
Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
Sony PS4
Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video
"All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER" -
Don't know much about subs.
What are you driving them with or are they powered?
I believe per the first line, these are powered subs with 800 watt plate amps driving them.
Man these look sweet. I am sure they sound incredible!Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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Hi, machone. You can take them straight out of the pre-amp or any other variable line level output but I have them hooked up to the R & L loop output of the Musical Fidelity A3CR amplifier.
Haha! Blew a tweeter today. Guess we were playing the tunes too loud for too long and I cooked the voice coil. I have 4 more voice coils coming our way and should be here Thursday. Whoops!
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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