Google Wifi home networking

mantis

Just a quick opinion I have of this crappy product that has a good idea but fails to deliver.
The Good Wifi system is a Mesh Network. If anyone understands mesh Networking , you can already see why it's doomed to fail or at least be very un reliable .
Mesh Networks by design are pretty damn cool, I dig the theory behind how they work, I like how they work as a team instead like what everyone is use to wifi standards thats point to point.
Google has this new Product on the market and I got to see it go in someones home that is around 10,000 square feet. Trying to cover a home that size this product just isn't the right one. Every Access point to go to after the first which is hard wired, gets weaker and weaker repeated access. I'm all out!!!!!!
I do networks every single day and This product has no business for me. I'm totally out. I would rather use EOP adapters and use AP's then use this crappy kinda nicely built junk trash.
If you want a network, you have to build a network. EOP is a way to get hard wired signals over the power lines and todays units if you buy high quality models and not some cheap junk trash, you can get damn good performance out of them if 1 you don't know how to run cat 6 wiring and terminate it in todays standard T568B or have no ability or access to run cat 6 wiring into the rooms you need Wifi access.
I strongly suggest to just stay away from these products especially if you have dense building materials around your home like glass, Steel , brick , Stone as Wifi doesn't play well with these materials.

OleBoot

My EOP adapters were DOA, I'm waiting for an ETA on my AP's and my wires are terminated by EZ123's. Just kidding

I spent a lot of years in networking, but am now hopelessly out of date. Can you explain what a mesh network is?

DollarDave

I'm running an Amplifi mesh network in a 5,400 sqft and it works great. Tried access points before this and they just pretty well suck with apple devices because the apples don't failover to a stronger signal if they still have one even if it's weak.

Msabot1

mantis wrote: »

Just a quick opinion I have of this crappy product that has a good idea but fails to deliver.
The Good Wifi system is a Mesh Network. If anyone understands mesh Networking , you can already see why it's doomed to fail or at least be very un reliable .
Mesh Networks by design are pretty damn cool, I dig the theory behind how they work, I like how they work as a team instead like what everyone is use to wifi standards thats point to point.
Google has this new Product on the market and I got to see it go in someones home that is around 10,000 square feet. Trying to cover a home that size this product just isn't the right one. Every Access point to go to after the first which is hard wired, gets weaker and weaker repeated access. I'm all out!!!!!!
I do networks every single day and This product has no business for me. I'm totally out. I would rather use EOP adapters and use AP's then use this crappy kinda nicely built junk trash.
If you want a network, you have to build a network. EOP is a way to get hard wired signals over the power lines and todays units if you buy high quality models and not some cheap junk trash, you can get damn good performance out of them if 1 you don't know how to run cat 6 wiring and terminate it in todays standard T568B or have no ability or access to run cat 6 wiring into the rooms you need Wifi access.
I strongly suggest to just stay away from these products especially if you have dense building materials around your home like glass, Steel , brick , Stone as Wifi doesn't play well with these materials.

Which routing protocol are you using?...There are quite a few of them...

erniejade

The netgear orbi is on the same lines and supposedly does a little bit better vs google but, at a lot higher cost.

mantis

OleBoot wrote: »

My EOP adapters were DOA, I'm waiting for an ETA on my AP's and my wires are terminated by EZ123's. Just kidding

I spent a lot of years in networking, but am now hopelessly out of date. Can you explain what a mesh network is?

A mesh network works very different then a Standard Network. Standard which you are trained in is Point to point. A Mesh network uses each link in the chain to repeat and hand off signals. So if you have lets say 20 devices in a Mesh, the Main start of the Mesh is connected to the router, the first one that unit can see will get the signal then send it to the next one and so on and so forth. They build a chain if you will to allow a longer stronger signal without loss by design.
In theory this is awesome but in the real world it's a pain in the ****. I have been dealing with Mesh networking since 2006.
Hope that helps

mantis

DollarDave wrote: »

I'm running an Amplifi mesh network in a 5,400 sqft and it works great. Tried access points before this and they just pretty well suck with apple devices because the apples don't failover to a stronger signal if they still have one even if it's weak.

Using this product, have you tested each access point to see what kind of reliable speeds you can consistently get? If you don't know how to test them , I can explain the how to.

mantis

Msabot1 wrote: »

mantis wrote: »

Just a quick opinion I have of this crappy product that has a good idea but fails to deliver.
The Good Wifi system is a Mesh Network. If anyone understands mesh Networking , you can already see why it's doomed to fail or at least be very un reliable .
Mesh Networks by design are pretty damn cool, I dig the theory behind how they work, I like how they work as a team instead like what everyone is use to wifi standards thats point to point.
Google has this new Product on the market and I got to see it go in someones home that is around 10,000 square feet. Trying to cover a home that size this product just isn't the right one. Every Access point to go to after the first which is hard wired, gets weaker and weaker repeated access. I'm all out!!!!!!
I do networks every single day and This product has no business for me. I'm totally out. I would rather use EOP adapters and use AP's then use this crappy kinda nicely built junk trash.
If you want a network, you have to build a network. EOP is a way to get hard wired signals over the power lines and todays units if you buy high quality models and not some cheap junk trash, you can get damn good performance out of them if 1 you don't know how to run cat 6 wiring and terminate it in todays standard T568B or have no ability or access to run cat 6 wiring into the rooms you need Wifi access.
I strongly suggest to just stay away from these products especially if you have dense building materials around your home like glass, Steel , brick , Stone as Wifi doesn't play well with these materials.

Which routing protocol are you using?...There are quite a few of them...

Not exactly sure what your are asking here TCP/IP I guess. I use several different designs. I'm not a full on network engineer but I'm well trained for home networks and setting up whole home control systems. I'm a Audio Video Master first , network ONLY because the world went that way in 2004 and got really strong over the years.
I will use a 192.168.1.X for some, 192.168.0.X for others and also I have used a 10.0.0.X network setup
I design my networks to have a DHCP from .2 to .199. So I can use .200 to .254 for Static.
Subnets are used sometimes when a Comcast or Verizon router / modem is in the mix. They are used as a gateway and I usually set up a DMZ with them. This gives me VPN access on networks like Luxul who don't have a Cloud service like Araknis does.
Araknis uses IMO the best in the business OVRC. This is an incredible network management tool that allows me to completely see a network from my iPhone on Cell data or Wifi. I have all my customers accounts in a company account and if a problem arises I know before they do and I can make off site repairs without them even knowing meaning my customers. I love it as it really saves many van rolls.

txcoastal1

It's been several years ago, and before Cisco purchased them, but we used Meraki for meshing.

mantis

erniejade wrote: »

The netgear orbi is on the same lines and supposedly does a little bit better vs google but, at a lot higher cost.

A good network isn't cheap. My average network I install is around $4000.00

Msabot1

mantis wrote: »

OleBoot wrote: »

My EOP adapters were DOA, I'm waiting for an ETA on my AP's and my wires are terminated by EZ123's. Just kidding

I spent a lot of years in networking, but am now hopelessly out of date. Can you explain what a mesh network is?

A mesh network works very different then a Standard Network. Standard which you are trained in is Point to point. A Mesh network uses each link in the chain to repeat and hand off signals. So if you have lets say 20 devices in a Mesh, the Main start of the Mesh is connected to the router, the first one that unit can see will get the signal then send it to the next one and so on and so forth. They build a chain if you will to allow a longer stronger signal without loss by design.
In theory this is awesome but in the real world it's a pain in the ****. I have been dealing with Mesh networking since 2006.
Hope that helps

Main problem is node failure..however the military has used networks such as these for years..mainly in their field ops apps...They have a good budget so their equipment isn't prone to failure..Don't know about commercial or residential gear..or it's reliability factors...or one brand over the other...

tonyb

How many people have 20 devices in a mesh though ? Sonos uses a mesh system and I have zero problems. It's actually quite stable and I get strong signals even at 100 feet away.

Not all mesh systems are created equally I guess, just like all Wi-Fi systems aren't. 4K for a network system, in a home ? To watch TV, surf the internet and play music ? Seems a bit extreme to me.