Power Circuit Upgrade

machone
machone Posts: 1,510
in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
I just finished closing the wall to an upgraded power circuit for my 2 channel system.
I installed a sub-panel with four 20 amp dedicated circuits. Each circuit has 10/2 MC cable feeding two duplex hospital grade outlets.
The panel is fed via a 60 amp breaker with #6 wire and has a #4 solid wire ground.
In addition the sub-panel is protected with a panel mounted surge protector.

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I sold my Tripp-Lite 2400 (with noisy transformer) and am plugging everything directly into the wall.
I separated my components between the four circuits as listed below:
1. Amplification
2. Analog
3. Digital
4. Video

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I am very happy with the results.
I seem to drawn into the music no matter which source I select. :)



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Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

"All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    I'd still use a power conditioner for everything but the amps and subs.

    Just my opinion, but I think you actually have less protection for your electronic components with the whole house type surge protector than you did with the Tripp-Lite, providing it was in good working order.
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  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 788
    machone wrote: »
    I just finished closing the wall to an upgraded power circuit for my 2 channel system.
    I installed a sub-panel with four 20 amp dedicated circuits. Each circuit has 10/2 MC cable feeding two duplex hospital grade outlets.
    The panel is fed via a 60 amp breaker with #6 wire and has a #4 solid wire ground.
    In addition the sub-panel is protected with a panel mounted surge protector.

    5kl019cm0304.jpg

    I sold my Tripp-Lite 2400 (with noisy transformer) and am plugging everything directly into the wall.
    I separated my components between the four circuits as listed below:
    1. Amplification
    2. Analog
    3. Digital
    4. Video

    me3cv2doicda.jpg

    I am very happy with the results.
    I seem to drawn into the music no matter which source I select. :)



    ^This is cool. When I grow up and buy a home I'm going to install a similar setup.
    2ch rig: Speakers: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands Preamplifier: Parasound P5 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I'd still use a power conditioner for everything but the amps and subs.

    Just my opinion, but I think you actually have less protection for your electronic components with the whole house type surge protector than you did with the Tripp-Lite, providing it was in good working order.

    You must have missed the part where he said the subpanel has a panel mounted surge protector... which means the entire panel (and anything running off it) is protected.

    I have one on my main system and have 3 dedicated lines for my HT and the main reason I still run my ALC H15 is because it has more outlets than the regular wall.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
    That's drool-worthy. I was so happy to install two 20 amp circuits in mantown in VA, I didn't dream of anything like this...

    All the while my electrician, a very nice Russian fellow saying... "you know... this eese something you do not neeed... eet eese in your head... not your earrsh."

    Yea, I've heard it before, just install it baby! Difference? Fo Sho!! Congrats!
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    Thanks
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    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,555
    edited March 2017
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    When I build my dedicated HT I want my system...
    machone wrote: »
    ...protected with a panel mounted surge protector.
    Where do I get one?
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,789
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    When I build my dedicated HT I want my system...
    machone wrote: »
    ...protected with a panel mounted surge protector.
    Where do I get one?

    Lowes, Home Desperate, electrical supply house, Menards......


    New Orleans? I can have it installed in a jiffy. Just ask @EndersShadow........
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    I have a HD & 2 Lowe's w/in ~15-25 minutes depending.

    Thnx
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    This is what I have.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CONA1OQ/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    When I build my dedicated HT I want my system...
    machone wrote: »
    ...protected with a panel mounted surge protector.
    Where do I get one?

    As others have said "Lowe's/Home Depot, etc".
    Mine fit the sub-panel and took up two circuit breaker slots. If fitting into a panel make sure the surge protector is compatible with the panel.
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited May 2017
    Nice job machone! Whole House Surge Protector here also, I wouldn't be without one, if at all possible.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    @machone why seperate the components that way?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,555
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @machone why seperate the components that way?

    No cross noise contamination. Each will have its own dedicated circuit.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    FWIW: I have my left* & right** tower amps on separate breakers.
    * shared by the CC amp
    ** shared by sub
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    edited November 2017
    Last night I upgraded two outlets with Furutech copper outlets. One for my amplifi cation and one for digital. Got them from Doug.
    Had a great listening session afterwards.
    I plan to upgrade the power cords to the preamp, computer power supply and Marantz 8005 next.
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    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,593
    Looks right purdy!
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • helipilotdoug
    helipilotdoug Posts: 1,229
    We have the Furutech FPX-CU receptacles on sale right now. And as a Polkie you'll get another 10% off. Click on contact us and give me your Club Polk handle along with what you want to order. We have a lot of goodies on sale right now, so check out the specials page.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    If there is anyone on the fence thinking about an receptacle upgrade I recommend trying the Furutech FPX-CU.

    I must say I have been pleasantly surprised that this could really improve SQ. Seems to be more air around individual voices and instruments with tighter bass and a sweeter presentation.

    Sure would like to hear someone else's experience on this to verify that I am not crazy. :p
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    edited November 2017
    Recall the $? Hypothetically I need 5
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,555
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    Recall the $? Hypothetically I need 5

    Doug provided a link to it
    http://www.douglasconnection.com/Furutech-FPX-Cu-Duplex-Receptacle-FURUFPXCu.htm
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,107
    machone wrote: »
    If there is anyone on the fence thinking about an receptacle upgrade I recommend trying the Furutech FPX-CU.

    I must say I have been pleasantly surprised that this could really improve SQ. Seems to be more air around individual voices and instruments with tighter bass and a sweeter presentation.

    Sure would like to hear someone else's experience on this to verify that I am not crazy. :p

    Make sure you also upgrade the wire leading to the panel box, and the breaker, and the panel box itself, and the cable leading to the meter, and the meter pack, and the meter, and the drop from the transformer. Also, make sure all of the power lines from the transformer back to the power generating plant are upgraded.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    Viking64 wrote: »
    machone wrote: »
    If there is anyone on the fence thinking about an receptacle upgrade I recommend trying the Furutech FPX-CU.

    I must say I have been pleasantly surprised that this could really improve SQ. Seems to be more air around individual voices and instruments with tighter bass and a sweeter presentation.

    Sure would like to hear someone else's experience on this to verify that I am not crazy. :p

    Make sure you also upgrade the wire leading to the panel box, and the breaker, and the panel box itself, and the cable leading to the meter, and the meter pack, and the meter, and the drop from the transformer. Also, make sure all of the power lines from the transformer back to the power generating plant are upgraded.

    Already Done! >:)
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,107
    machone wrote: »
    Already Done! >:)

    I just thought of something. Are the ground conductors in the MC isolated from the junction boxes? Are the receptacles? Inherently, the metal armor is grounded to those boxes and the panel box.
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,092
    Very nice!
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    The MC metal armor is grounded to the sub-panel but the receptacle box is plastic.
    The MC ground conductor is grounded to the sub-panel and the receptacle.
    I got a lot of good info from the attached White-Paper.
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,107
    machone wrote: »
    The MC metal armor is grounded to the sub-panel but the receptacle box is plastic.
    The MC ground conductor is grounded to the sub-panel and the receptacle.
    I got a lot of good info from the attached White-Paper.

    That sounds like the most ideal method. I had never seen MC run to a plastic box. That's why I wondered. :)
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,789
    edited November 2017
    machone wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    machone wrote: »
    If there is anyone on the fence thinking about an receptacle upgrade I recommend trying the Furutech FPX-CU.

    I must say I have been pleasantly surprised that this could really improve SQ. Seems to be more air around individual voices and instruments with tighter bass and a sweeter presentation.

    Sure would like to hear someone else's experience on this to verify that I am not crazy. :p

    Make sure you also upgrade the wire leading to the panel box, and the breaker, and the panel box itself, and the cable leading to the meter, and the meter pack, and the meter, and the drop from the transformer. Also, make sure all of the power lines from the transformer back to the power generating plant are upgraded.

    Already Done! >:)

    You're welcome.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    lightman1 wrote: »
    You're welcome.

    Thanks :)
    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    I continued to upgrade the power circuitry. I added new power cords for the Quantum Byte/Mojo power supply, Marantz SA8005 and Hafler DH110 preamp.
    I used Furutech FI-11M and FI-11 connectors along with Furez FZ100BS sleeving. Got these from Douglas Connection.
    I combined these with 12awg shielded cable from VH Audio.
    It took a while to burn in but the results are outstanding.
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    Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
    SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
    1KVA Dreadnought

    Marantz SA 8005
    Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
    Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
    Sony PS4

    Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
    1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video

    "All THAT IS LOST FROM THE SOURCE IS LOST FOREVER"
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