2.3tl's in PA

Tour2ma
Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
edited April 2004 in For Sale (FS) Classifieds
No affil...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=3088427303&ssPageName=STRK:MEBBI:IT

Even includes a copy of the legendary SDA Compendium...
More later,
Tour...
Vox Copuli
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

"Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

"It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
"There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    Not that far away from me...if anybody needs help, lemme know. I like road trips :D
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    Even includes a copy of the legendary SDA Compendium...

    I have a copy of that, it's ok. Anyone out there want to scan it and PDF it, let me know.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    It is copyrighted, so that wouldn't be a good idea.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2004
    Big woo, short of a few pics of the author's rigs and some general info - all the info is free from Polk to begin with.

    So you don't want a copy then, ok. ;)

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    I already have one, and in color. I really like it, and use it often as a reference.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited March 2004
    I have an original copy of it as well. It was well worth the cost.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2004
    Russ is aware that copying copywrited material for educational purposes is legal so long as the distributor is not profitting from the distribution.

    Nonetheless, if I should want one, I'd opt to get one from the originator. No reason he should not profit from his efforts.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited March 2004
    I'll take a copy brother Russ.

    HBomb
    ***WAREMTAE***
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    Hey copy away if you wish, but Raife is a Polkie....not just some loser. Is he not due the consideration that would be expected in any other case? Go ahead, insult another member, it won't be the last that gets the shaft in today's Polkie world.

    I bought mine, and it was worth every penny.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited March 2004
    Just FYI for everyone: I contacted Raife about the compendium when I got my SDA's and he said he will be doing another publication this summer.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    Nonetheless, if I should want one, I'd opt to get one from the originator.
    Is there a URL where the original and/or author are to be found ?
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    I'll send you his email PW.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2004
    I was suggesting it would be nice if someone PDF'd at least the FREE information that was gathered (for free) from POLK.

    **** it, I'm not making copies, never said I would. I'm not trying to dick Raife out of his 'rights' to the extra material, but I think the POLK stuff should be free game.

    I guess there is a difference is someone selling, say a free tweeter that they got from another member, and selling info they got for free from Polk.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    I guess there is a difference is someone selling, say a free tweeter that they got from another member, and selling info they got for free from Polk.

    Cheers,
    Russ

    OUCH, you get outta bed wrong side maybe??:D
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    It was a collaborative effort, the Polk crew knew about the pending publication. They helped him source documents that are not readily available or "Free".

    If people want the documents free, then they can certainly ask for them, if they know what they need.

    I preferred to get a complete SDA guide as provided by Raife. A Polk member that took the time to create it, which I am sure wasn't a freaking day! All in one, no fuss, no muss. Not everyone has had the glorious opportunity to read and relish SDA information for 5-10 years. I guess I could have added another 100 emails to Ken's normal 1500-2000 emails in a given week, but I chose not to do so.

    Pull the tack outta your ****, Mr Angry Pants.

    It wasn't that much damn money....and it's ALOT different in my eyes.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    ...and it's ALOT different in my eyes.
    Ditto... This output required effort. Whatever financial rewards are to be had were earned.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • bdaley6509
    bdaley6509 Posts: 1,167
    edited April 2004
    Russman...any chance I can get a copy of that guide? thanks for your time.

    bdaley1@columbus.rr.com
  • young
    young Posts: 22
    edited April 2004
    what is the SDA Compendium? and where can i get it?
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2004
    Sale of “Free” Information

    The SDA Compendium, like any reference literature, contains information that is available, FOR FREE, from other sources. Some examples of publications that sell FREE information are:

    1. Newspapers/Magazines: A lot of people are willing to PAY MONEY for newspapers and magazines that contain information that is easily available FOR FREE from various sources on the Internet and the local library. Why do they spend the money? One reason is convenience. A lot of people appreciate having a one stop source of basic news and merchandise information. Someone in the market for new furniture could call all of the furniture stores in town and inquire about any sales they are currently running. A more time-efficient method would be to pay 50 cents for a newspaper and see what sales are running.

    2. Scholarship Guides: When I was a high school senior, I paid $20 for a guide to funding sources for college scholarships. I was aware that I was not receiving any “secret” or “inside” information. All of the information in the guide was available FOR FREE from other, public sources….if I wanted to take the time to do the research.

    3. Public Records Databases: Some attorneys and private investigators PAY a monthly FEE to companies that provide databases of public records information. Such information is available FOR FREE to anyone who wants to take the time to do the research. Most attorneys appreciate the convenience and cost savings of being able to sit in their office and pull up information on their computer, rather than making a trip to the courthouse. However, one should take notice of the fact that, although the information in the public records is FREE, the courthouse may ask you to pay a small FEE if you want a COPY of their FREE information. Of course, you can avoid paying the copying fee by writing down the information yourself…..but how long would that take? Furthermore, the information in public records repositories is not really FREE because it has already been paid for with taxpayer’s money.

    On one hand, one could “reason” that it is wrong for providers of information that is available FOR FREE to charge a FEE for such information. These providers are not charging for the information, but rather, for the service of collecting and bringing the information to a consumer. I think that most people are able to comprehend and appreciate the fact that providers of published information incur real material and labor costs.

    With regard to the SDA Compendium, I spent many hours over the course of three months researching, collecting, reading, sorting, editing, typing, scanning and processing photographic images, and scanning and processing schematic images. In addition to the considerable time spent in assembling the Compendium, I also incurred costs in the printing and binding of the 80 page manuscript. For my time, effort, and work, and to recoup my printing costs, I charge a fee of $25, which is inclusive of shipping. In addition to production costs, it also takes time to service orders (answering questions, packaging, standing in line at the Post Office, etc.). It would be interesting to find out how many people would do this amount of work and then offer it FREE to the public.


    The SDA Compendium was offered for sale twice on EBay and once on Audiogon during the summer of 2003. Since last summer, the vast majority of my sales have come from word-of-mouth referrals. I was completely sold out by the middle of December of 2003. I was intending to reprint during the summer of 2004, but I moved that up to March 15, 2004 because of customer interest. The individuals on my “interest list”, some of whom are members of this forum, were notified by email on February 29, 2004 of the reprint date. Anyone wishing to purchase a copy can contact me at:

    darqueknight88@hotmail.com.

    Alternatively, most of the information contained in the Compendium can be obtained FOR FREE from the following sources:

    1. Polk Audio Customer Service Department.
    2. Researching the threads at the Polk Audio Forums, where I and others have posted much of the information contained in the Compendium.
    3. Ask a Forum member.

    If you check my posts on this forum, you will find that I have always been happy to and continue to be happy to share information on the SDA series (specs, schematics, historical information, etc.) at NO COST. That means FREE. Forum members who have contacted me through public threads and through private messages can attest to that. However, there is a big difference between taking a few minutes to email a schematic or answer a specific question and taking weeks to write an 80 page reference guide.

    I do not worry about people copying and distributing my work. That happens to every work that is offered to the public. Guess what? I learned that, in addition to people’s willingness to PAY for FREE information, I also learned that people are willing to PAY for information that they already have! Can you believe that? Again, convenience seems to be the motivating factor here. Here are some examples:

    1. I have eight friends, all SDA enthusiasts like myself, who purchased a copy of the Compendium. Intuitively, they would seem to be the most unlikely consumers of such information because they already have all this information in their files! I know what they have because we all swap information amongst ourselves. They said they liked the convenience of looking up something in a reference guide rather than digging up information in their files.

    2. I don’t know this for a fact, but I suspect that, as in example one above, a fair number of the people who purchased a Compendium already have much, if not most of this information already.

    3. Have you ever purchased a “greatest hits” compilation of one of your favorite musical artists? I’ll bet you already had most, if not all, of the compilation’s songs scattered throughout your record/CD collection on various disks. Did you PAY again for music that you already had? Did you feel robbed or were you appreciative of the fact that you could access a lot of what you liked in one convenient location?


    Although I do charge a fee for the Compendium, my goal here is to provide an information service for the reading pleasure of SDA enthusiasts rather than score a lot of cash. I assure you, there are far more lucrative things to write about than a speaker series that went on the market 22 years ago and which has been discontinued for the last 13 years. It is a testament to Polk Audio’s outstanding engineering practices that interest in the SDA series loudspeakers remains strong. Unfortunately, anyone wishing to purchase a pair of these speakers needs to undertake a research program in order to determine exactly what the seller is offering.

    In conclusion, I would like to express my appreciation to forum members who have appreciated and supported my work on the Compendium, and to the members of Polk Audio’s excellent customer service department for their assistance with research and reference material.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • SDA SRS 1.2
    SDA SRS 1.2 Posts: 255
    edited April 2004
    WELL said, Raife! Like some folks, when I purchased the SDA Compendium I had most of the information already - but to have it all assembled in a professional, logical, and concise manner is worth every penny and more. It's truly THE authoritative source for SDA information. Thank you again for your efforts! :)
    Main System: Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers, Sunfire Signature 600~two Amp, Carver C-16 Preamp, Carver TX-11b Tuner, Marantz 6350Q TT, Philips CDR-775 Recorder, Teac V-707RX Cassette Deck, Signal Cable Double Run Speaker Cable

    Upstairs Den: Marantz 2325 Receiver, Marantz 5220 Cassette Deck, Marantz HD-880 Speakers, Marantz 6370Q TT

    Exercise (Kabuki speaker) Room: Kenwood KR-9600 Receiver, Pioneer CS-99a Speakers, Sansui SP-X9000 Speakers (not pretty, but LOUD! :) )
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2004
    You're welcome.:)
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited April 2004
    Raife,

    Good to see you post again.

    IMHO, it's a bargain at twice the price. Thank you for the effort it took to put the SDA Compendium together.

    F1
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2004
    I've been out of touch recently due to a brutal work schedule for the last three months.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2004
    raife,
    You got mail.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD