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DaveHo
DaveHo Posts: 3,536
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Been stepping up my game lately & am looking to replace the stock cables on my source gear & preamp. Power amps are already done. I have my sights set on the Pangea AC14. First, what are the differences between the original, Se, & SeMkII? Second, how flexible are they? Can I replace a 1.5m stock cord with the same length if the original was just right? Third, what else should at be looking at in the same ballpark price wise?

The gear: Pioneer Sc1523K, Parasound P5, Pioneer N-50, Denon DBT1713ud. Not using the internal amps on the Pioneer.
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,904
    edited April 2016
    I replaced all my Pangea AC14MKII with PS Audio AC-3 cords. I am not sure the difference between the ac14 and the AC14MKII. The Pangea are flexible enough, but the PS Audio are real flexible. I think the AC-3 are still on sale @ Music Direct.
    The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

    It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    www.cullencable.com
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,655
    motorhead43026 wrote: »
    I replaced all my Pangea AC14MKII with PS Audio AC-3 cords. I am not sure the difference between the ac14 and the AC14MKII. The Pangea are flexible enough, but the PS Audio are real flexible. I think the AC-3 are still on sale @ Music Direct.

    the difference between the Pangea MK1 and MK2 are they lost their Japanese copper supplier and then went and made a deal with Cardas to buy high end copper from him.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,655
    marvda1 wrote: »
    www.cullencable.com

    this is the slowest site I've been to in a long time. it just sits and clocks forever and some areas took 3-4 times to get to come up.

    maybe others will have better luck
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    edited April 2016
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    www.cullencable.com

    this is the slowest site I've been to in a long time. it just sits and clocks forever and some areas took 3-4 times to get to come up.

    maybe others will have better luck
    there must be something wrong today.
    go to audiogon and do a search for cullen, he has some listed there.

    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,655
    maybe its the Verizon strike. I was just trying to get some read on prolly not a good idea to go to auction site's at work.......not that I haven't before shhhh:)
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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    marvda1 wrote: »
    www.cullencable.com
    Thanks, @marvda1 . Ordered a Crossover to try.
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,121
    reach out to Skip . . .
    AC Regenerator PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Source Lumin U1 Mini into Lampizator Baltic 4 DAC
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Power Rogue M180 Dark monos
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Rythmik F12
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    My bias says go with the Shunyata Venom series. You can always sell them if you find something better for less.

    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    www.cullencable.com
    Thanks, @marvda1 . Ordered a Crossover to try.

    So did I, can't wait to try it on the McCormack.
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm

    Thanks for that, can't wait to try them.
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm
    Thanks, yeah, that review was one of the factors that pushed me to buy. Helpful. Thanks again.
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
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  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,536
    edited May 2016
    So after careful consideration, I haven't bought a damn thing yet. There's been some big changes in my system the last few weeks (LsiM 705s, Parasound P5) & I wanted to give things time to break-in & for me to get acclimated to the new sound. I've pretty much ruled out the Pangea & am focused on the Shunyata Venom 3 & PS Audio AC-3. Going to start with changing the cord on the Parasound P5. Which one? Somebody push me off the fence.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    Was Wireworld on your list at all? Just curious.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    I had both but at different times. I like the looks and feel of the PS audio the best and can't compare the sounds as my system has changed too much since then.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm
    Thanks, yeah, that review was one of the factors that pushed me to buy. Helpful. Thanks again.


    So @vcwatkins , did you get the Cullen power cable?
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,536
    edited May 2016
    Music Direct has the AC-3 for $90, though they are "On Order" at the moment. I think there is a used Venom 3 still available for a similar price. Wire World is on my list if the price is in the same ballpark. I'd have a tough time swallowing more than $150 for a 1.5m PC.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited May 2016
    1.5 meter Stratus 7 is $105
    1 meter Aurora 7 is $140

    http://www.wireworldaudio.com/ProdLit/RetailPrices.pdf

    I have a Pangea AC-14 on my tube preamp and it has put me off them a bit. It's not flexible enough, I can't imagine what the AC-9 is like trying to bend.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    Wireworld on the other hand

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    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    I'm a BIG FAN of PS Audio myself...
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    PS Audio
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,904
    edited May 2016
    I run PS audio AC-3 on all my line level including my P5, and the amp. The Wireworld shown above between the PS Audio Detect and the wall outlet.
    Post edited by motorhead43026 on
    The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

    It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    I'm going to throw out that I won the karma that Skip put out for WireWorld. I ended up getting a Electra power cord 2.0m long, that's a middle of the line cable for Wire world. What I learned from Skip the longer the better. Well here's what he said.

    "WireWorld strongly suggests that you go at least 2 meters on their cables to get the full effect of the geometry of the cable, but after lengthier discussions they told me it was better to go 1.5 meter with a higher cable than 2.0 with a lower."

    I haven't totally broke it in yet, you need about 100 hours. I did some critical listening this last weekend and I got to say I did hear an improvement.

    Good luck on whatever you get!
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

    2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703
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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    vmaxer wrote: »
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm
    Thanks, yeah, that review was one of the factors that pushed me to buy. Helpful. Thanks again.

    So @vcwatkins , did you get the Cullen power cable?

    I did, and I'm very happy. Well made, fair price, fast shipping.

    I prefer it over the Perfectwave AC-5, WW 5 and 7 Electra (I believe that's right), and MIT Z-Cord on both amp and preamp in the den rig. Slightly improved detail and soundstage width. Much deeper soundstage and improved bass articulation. Bass notes are noticeably more tactile through keyboard and cocktail table. The biggest improvement to my ears is the extremely deep, precise, and enveloping three-dimensional soundstage. Wonderful!

    Plugging it into the Richard Gray power unit seemed to be a tad smoother on top than when plugged into the Dectet. I thought the best combo was the Cullen on preamp and AC-5 on amp, and have left them there until I can get more Cullen Crossovers, which I hope to do soon.
    b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
    Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
    Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
    Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
    Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    vmaxer wrote: »
    vcwatkins wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    here's some reading until your cables come in.
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Cullen Crossover Power Cable Review/CullenCrossoverPowerCablesReview.htm
    Thanks, yeah, that review was one of the factors that pushed me to buy. Helpful. Thanks again.

    So @vcwatkins , did you get the Cullen power cable?

    I did, and I'm very happy. Well made, fair price, fast shipping.

    I prefer it over the Perfectwave AC-5, WW 5 and 7 Electra (I believe that's right), and MIT Z-Cord on both amp and preamp in the den rig. Slightly improved detail and soundstage width. Much deeper soundstage and improved bass articulation. Bass notes are noticeably more tactile through keyboard and cocktail table. The biggest improvement to my ears is the extremely deep, precise, and enveloping three-dimensional soundstage. Wonderful!

    Plugging it into the Richard Gray power unit seemed to be a tad smoother on top than when plugged into the Dectet. I thought the best combo was the Cullen on preamp and AC-5 on amp, and have left them there until I can get more Cullen Crossovers, which I hope to do soon.

    Glad to hear it. I got one as well and immediately noticed a soundstage improvement on the McCormack amp. Loving everything so far.
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,536
    1.5m PS Audio AC3 is back in stock @ Music Direct. Ordered one for my Parasound P5.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    DaveHo wrote: »
    1.5m PS Audio AC3 is back in stock @ Music Direct. Ordered one for my Parasound P5.

    I'm hoping fathers day or my bday may bring me a couple more. I'd love to have one for the APC H15 upstairs and maybe a extra or two for the HTPC and regular computer and/or any other gear I end up swapping in lol...
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • dalylaleahthor
    dalylaleahthor Posts: 322
    Quick question from a noon. What's the added benefit from a upgraded power cord?
    Epson 3020 projector. Da Lite screen. Oppo 103. Yamaha CXA5000. B&K 7250ii. HSU VTF2. Def Tech Supercube 4000. Polk Rtia9 CsiA6 FxiA6. Monster hts 2600. Home theater.

    Bedroom consist of NHT model 2 powered by Parasound hca1200ii coming from my computer.

    Stuff laying around. Too much to list but don't want to sell either.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    DSkip wrote: »
    Better insulation and cable geometry resulting in a lower noise floor.

    Additionally to that depending on what gauge you go with the possibility of a better current flow due to larger in diameter wire.

    I forget what the standard gauge is for a normal IEC cable but I can tell you its thinner than most aftermarket cables by at least a size or two.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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