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Then we will agree to disagree. Mr. Insane kept Islam radicals in check.
Where do you think the term ISIL came from?

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Mikey, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. Bush got bad advice and ran with it. (or this c+ student is smarter that I've given him credit for)

Can't agree...

Hussein and his sons were butchering 10's of thousands of people...bulldozing them into holes in the desert. Human beings. If he could have done the damage that Germany did in the 1930's he would have. We cannot let or stand for appeasing these people until it takes 50 million lives to fix again.. Better to face it early and swiftly. His sons were worse than him. He thumbed his nose at the UN and was warned many times over. His weapons went to Syria. We are dealing with that now. Where do you think Assaad got the mustard gas? Very popular to say Iraq was a mistake. Do we think the world would be a better place with Hussein and his sons still in power? You might want to read up on his barbarism.

Iraq was won 54-7 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and we walked of the field.

Is anyone proposing we just sit here and let this escalate? because it will.

nooshinjohn

rednedtugent wrote: »

I understand ^THAT^ Really I do.
Lets go bomb the crap out of something.
Oh wait, these terrorist are your next door neighbors.
Now what.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


^^^THIS^^^

Mikey081057

rednedtugent wrote: »

Then we will agree to disagree. Mr. Insane kept Islam radicals in check.
Where do you think the term ISIL came from?

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Mikey, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. Bush got bad advice and ran with it. (or this c+ student is smarter that I've given him credit for)

Can't agree...

Hussein and his sons were butchering 10's of thousands of people...bulldozing them into holes in the desert. Human beings. If he could have done the damage that Germany did in the 1930's he would have. We cannot let or stand for appeasing these people until it takes 50 million lives to fix again.. Better to face it early and swiftly. His sons were worse than him. He thumbed his nose at the UN and was warned many times over. His weapons went to Syria. We are dealing with that now. Where do you think Assaad got the mustard gas? Very popular to say Iraq was a mistake. Do we think the world would be a better place with Hussein and his sons still in power? You might want to read up on his barbarism.

Iraq was won 54-7 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and we walked of the field.

Is anyone proposing we just sit here and let this escalate? because it will.

Kept them in check? Did we forget 9/11? I hardly think they were in check. Sadaam Hussein funded terrorists and provided a safe haven for them. SH was a terrorist himself. Read the accounts of the atrocities that were done in Kuwait. He was a savage. Check out what his son did to the soccer team and to the girl who didn't want to date him. let's Not make him out to be a saint.

cindy100

Mikey081057 wrote: »

And while we are at it let's give billions and nukes to the regions largest terrorist funding state. makes sense to me.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought it made sense...

Mikey081057

An American college student 20 YO has been identified as one of the victims

[Deleted User]

"Sadaam Hussein funded terrorists"
Yes, and the Bushs had dinner with other
funders and got them out of America post hast after 9/11.

gudnoyez

The only thing I disagree with is how the term ( we ) is used those that say it and have served thier country go ahead and say it those that haven't STFU, a lot of our troops are giving thier lives for a meaningless war and a lot of those that say we would never volunteer and help our Brothers in arms. I'm not directing this towards anyone just tired of hearing people say we for the past 20 some years. If we keep meddling in thier business they will keep meddling in ours, this will only get worse it's a mighty big hornets nest we knocked down, and knocked it down is all we have done.

Mikey081057

rednedtugent wrote: »

"Sadaam Hussein funded terrorists"
Yes, and the Bushs had dinner with other
funders and got them out of America post hast after 9/11.

And Clinton let Bin Laden walk. What's your point? You said Hussein was a good guy.

[Deleted User]

"You said Hussein was a good guy."

No, you did. I'm out.

gdb

The "real" Ted Nugent intentionally pooped in his drawers to obtain a draft deferment. He's a real hero. (true fact, look it up)

Nightfall

gudnoyez wrote: »

The only thing I disagree with is how the term ( we ) is used those that say it and have served thier country go ahead and say it those that haven't STFU, a lot of our troops are giving thier lives for a meaningless war and a lot of those that say we would never volunteer and help our Brothers in arms. I'm not directing this towards anyone just tired of hearing people say we for the past 20 some years. If we keep meddling in thier business they will keep meddling in ours, this will only get worse it's a mighty big hornets nest we knocked down, and knocked it down is all we have done.

I served 4 years. Army. 74C

kevhed72

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Then we will agree to disagree. Mr. Insane kept Islam radicals in check.
Where do you think the term ISIL came from?

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Mikey, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. Bush got bad advice and ran with it. (or this c+ student is smarter that I've given him credit for)

Can't agree...

Hussein and his sons were butchering 10's of thousands of people...bulldozing them into holes in the desert. Human beings. If he could have done the damage that Germany did in the 1930's he would have. We cannot let or stand for appeasing these people until it takes 50 million lives to fix again.. Better to face it early and swiftly. His sons were worse than him. He thumbed his nose at the UN and was warned many times over. His weapons went to Syria. We are dealing with that now. Where do you think Assaad got the mustard gas? Very popular to say Iraq was a mistake. Do we think the world would be a better place with Hussein and his sons still in power? You might want to read up on his barbarism.

Iraq was won 54-7 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and we walked of the field.

Is anyone proposing we just sit here and let this escalate? because it will.

Kept them in check? Did we forget 9/11? I hardly think they were in check. Sadaam Hussein funded terrorists and provided a safe haven for them. SH was a terrorist himself. Read the accounts of the atrocities that were done in Kuwait. He was a savage. Check out what his son did to the soccer team and to the girl who didn't want to date him. let's Not make him out to be a saint.

Mike, you may want to cite your souces with this statement. I think we all were dupped into thinking invading Iraq was a good idea at the time, but time has shown the effort to be a failure. Our history of meddling in the Middle East has proven to be detrimental to our own security, starting with us propping up the Shaw of Iran, which facilitated the Iranian revolution. Then we supported Saddam for years as a,counter measure to the hostile regime in Iran. I have a friend and colleague who is from this part of the world and he summed it up with two points:
1. Many middle eastern regimes use religion for politcal purposes, first and foremost.
2. Many of these countries need a dictatorship, because the only alternative would be chaos....which we are seeing now.

On 9/11....I view as a complete failure of our security aparatus to protect us. All of the hijackers were on the FBIs radar, paid cash for one way tickets and took over the aircraft with BOX CUTTERS. So simple, yet completely preventable.

Mikey081057

gdb wrote: »

The "real" Ted Nugent intentionally pooped in his drawers to obtain a draft deferment. He's a real hero. (true fact, look it up)

So I looked it up and found it to be true and not to be true.... Just like anything else on the internet i guess there is a version that says whatever you want it to.

cnh

Really? We're going to get into an argument after so much violence and death, simply because our ideologies "differ"? Isn't this a time to unite and stop splitting apart and fueling fires of hate and ethnocentrism? Come on boys and girls, we're adults last time I looked. And what we think isn't going to matter much to those perpetrating these acts but our actions, which INCLUDE those toward each other on this site, do have an effect!

Mikey081057

kevhed72 wrote: »

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Then we will agree to disagree. Mr. Insane kept Islam radicals in check.
Where do you think the term ISIL came from?

Mikey081057 wrote: »

rednedtugent wrote: »

Mikey, we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. Bush got bad advice and ran with it. (or this c+ student is smarter that I've given him credit for)

Can't agree...

Hussein and his sons were butchering 10's of thousands of people...bulldozing them into holes in the desert. Human beings. If he could have done the damage that Germany did in the 1930's he would have. We cannot let or stand for appeasing these people until it takes 50 million lives to fix again.. Better to face it early and swiftly. His sons were worse than him. He thumbed his nose at the UN and was warned many times over. His weapons went to Syria. We are dealing with that now. Where do you think Assaad got the mustard gas? Very popular to say Iraq was a mistake. Do we think the world would be a better place with Hussein and his sons still in power? You might want to read up on his barbarism.

Iraq was won 54-7 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and we walked of the field.

Is anyone proposing we just sit here and let this escalate? because it will.

Kept them in check? Did we forget 9/11? I hardly think they were in check. Sadaam Hussein funded terrorists and provided a safe haven for them. SH was a terrorist himself. Read the accounts of the atrocities that were done in Kuwait. He was a savage. Check out what his son did to the soccer team and to the girl who didn't want to date him. let's Not make him out to be a saint.

Mike, you may want to cite your souces with this statement. I think we all were dupped into thinking invading Iraq was a good idea at the time, but time has shown the effort to be a failure. Our history of meddling in the Middle East has proven to be detrimental to our own security, starting with us propping up the Shaw of Iran, which facilitated the Iranian revolution. Then we supported Saddam for years as a,counter measure to the hostile regime in Iran. I have a friend and colleague who is from this part of the world and he summed it up with two points:
1. Many middle eastern regimes use religion for politcal purposes, first and foremost.
2. Many of these countries need a dictatorship, because the only alternative would be chaos....which we are seeing now.

On 9/11....I view as a complete failure of our security aparatus to protect us. All of the hijackers were on the FBIs radar, paid cash for one way tickets and took over the aircraft with BOX CUTTERS. So simple, yet completely preventable.

Didn't say he funded 9/11. That is unproven. But inconclusive. He did fund and provide safe haven for terror. That is proven. He and his sons were savages. His weapons ended up in Syria for Asaad's use.

Looks like they have better weapons than box cutters now.

The use of force in Iraq passed the Senate by a vote of 77 to 23, and the House by 296 to 133. The house and senate majorities were controlled by ? I know... they voted for it before they voted against it..

None of this has anything to do with the way we cut and ran from Iraq which is the real root cause of the rise of ISIS. When we committed as a nation to rid ourselves of terror we took a half measure and didn't finish the job. As I mentioned earlier the director of the FBI is asking for more staff to deal with the numbers of ISIS already in the US. It hasn't been approved. What do we do? Lay down?

So in your opinion when do we take action? What action needs to be taken...

gdb

"So in your opinion when do we take action? What action needs to be taken..."

In my estimation, all the decent, non-Muslim citizens of the world need to unite & initiate a holy war of their own. (against the radical Muslims) Rain Holy Hell down on them... all the way back to the stone age. What incredible hubris..... to think they'll succeed in either converting or killing everyone that doesn't subscribe to their perverted "religious beliefs"