Selling to members with less than 100 posts
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Out of respect for George, I'm creating a new thread rather than mess up his For Sale thread.
Where are those of you who are always calling out members for even mentioning selling a piece of gear to a member with less than 100 posts?
It should be well known that I have no problem with these sales, but I know some of you do and you usually have no problem posting in the thread expressing your opposition.
Where are those of you who are always calling out members for even mentioning selling a piece of gear to a member with less than 100 posts?
It should be well known that I have no problem with these sales, but I know some of you do and you usually have no problem posting in the thread expressing your opposition.
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I haven't said anything because I haven't heard what exactly the forum decided on this. I was one of the members here who voted #2.
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Out of respect for George, I'm creating a new thread rather than mess up his For Sale thread.
Where are those of you who are always calling out members for even mentioning selling a piece of gear to a member with less than 100 posts?
It should be well known that I have no problem with these sales, but I know some of you do and you usually have no problem posting in the thread expressing your opposition.
If your referring to George and Daddy in his Carver thread, it's because George knows the man from another forum and has elected to do business with the man.
The 100 post rule was to serve 2 functions.
Encourage participation in the forum.
Keep the riff-raff out and preserve the integrity of the FM.
From where I sit, I don't see how either has been compromised. It's more so a rule for people we don't know who come here and want to buy or sell. I have every bit of faith in George's decision, and every bit of faith that Daddyjt isn't here to stir the pot and maintain his active participation in the forum.
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Interesting. Reading any of your posts in this thread: http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/168815/should-we-change-the-flea-market-rules#latest would seem to contradict your being ok with this sale. I would think you would prefer it be done "off line."Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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I have every bit of faith in George's decision, and every bit of faith that Daddyjt isn't here to stir the pot and maintain his active participation in the forum.
I'd agree with that. Mr Grand has sone whiskers around here, and my proof of his character has been shown in the past by the number of tines that I've been on his "Bozo" list.
And Daddyjt, while somewhat new, certainly appears to be of the type of forum user that is/will be an excellent contributor.
So therein lies the dilemma, how to establish some sort of order in the midst of chaos ?
No matter what one's religion is, the text for that religion is relatively "skimpy". For mine, the text is about ...... I dunno .... an inch and a half thick. Now to cover every single case, every single occurrence in life would make that text about 10 miles thick, and even then there would be exceptions.
"What about if my neighbors dog comes over and poops in my yard ? How do I deal with that ?".
A couple of hundred different scenarios could be thought up just for that case, and someone could still bring up a valid, "Well, what about if".
That's why I voted for ..... I can't remember the number. But it was the "100 to sell, 50 to buy".
Seems reasonable, and not that restrictive, while holding down on the number of drive-bys.
And if a LOOOOOONG time contributing member of this forum chooses to "cross sell" on another forum, I don't see a problem with that. That just my opinion, though.
A reasonable person could say, correctly, "Well, that doesn't follow the basic rules !".
And that reasonable person may be correct.
But .... 10 miles thick rule book. I don't particularly want to see that.
NOTE: I'm probably still on his Bozo list, so .... he won't see this ...... so it should be mentioned that there is a possibility that Mr. Grand has secret ........ Canadian sympathies !! Yes, I believe that's true !!
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Interesting. Reading any of your posts in this thread: http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/168815/should-we-change-the-flea-market-rules#latest would seem to contradict your being ok with this sale. I would think you would prefer it be done "off line."
Got to agree here Tony. So we shouldn't sell to members with less than a certain number of posts unless I happen to be an elder member who "knows a guy". Seriously? I don't care who the f^ck he sells to personally, but you clearly said we should at the least keep it offline.Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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I was not aware of that sale. Had I been, I would have said something because that should not have happened.Political Correctness'.........defined
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These threads would not be coming up if gear was moving...
Plain and simple, if you are offered decent $$$ for gear you have on offer, you take it right now.
We can try and stick to a random and unenforced moral code, or just move gear.
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"Canadian sympathies." Lol. Next, some "governor" will suggest building a wall along the Canadian border. Sorry, got carried away.
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Wow.
First, I apologize for creating such a stir. I have been awaiting the results of the "poll" that was taken a while back, but must have missed it. It seemed from the comments that the general consensus was to let the seller decide.
If I stepped on any "legacy member's" ties by purchasing these amps, I will sell either of the two (or both) of the amps I acquire, for the price George listed. I'll even eat the shipping to me. - oh wait - that would be a violation of the rules, as I'd be selling with less than 100 posts....
Mrbigbluelight is correct - I'm not here to create trouble, or cherry pick your FM. I planned to be a regular contributor, but the pm from moderator "F1nut" is rather off-putting. Delete as many of my posts as you want, sir.
Sorry again for any issues I created.“Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”
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I'm not a moderator, but if I recall you are on another forum and as such should know to read the rules, which as of this point in time have not changed.
I choose to PM you instead of calling you out on the forum, too bad you could not have returned in kind.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I'm not a moderator
EXACTLY...
No reason to be a curmudgeon...
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Would you like to buy a vowel?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Its actually a bit convulted here fella's.
Here is the deal:
1. George posted here
2. I reposted with his permission at TheCarverSite ( @daddyjt is a member there and here)
3. BillWojo from that forum (who KNOWS GEORGE PERSONALLY) had talked to George earlier (ran into him at one point at Goodwill) and knew he was selling stuff
4. Mark (DaddyJT) knew where Bill lived and that he was looking for some Amasings and messaged Bill (on TheCarverSite) to tell him about the Plats and to arrange for BillWojo to secure the amps for him since Bill was also going to be buying the Plats.
So honestly I dont think its a violation since Mark is not buying from George directly, but through someone (on another forum) that if he had a list like I did of what George was selling, would have posted it at the same location and Mark would have bought it that way regardless.
Mark also didnt come to this forum JUST to buy THESE amps. He's been posting about his SDA's and rebuilding them. He simply hasnt got to 100 posts yet."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Wow.
First, I apologize for creating such a stir. I have been awaiting the results of the "poll" that was taken a while back, but must have missed it. It seemed from the comments that the general consensus was to let the seller decide.
If I stepped on any "legacy member's" ties by purchasing these amps, I will sell either of the two (or both) of the amps I acquire, for the price George listed. I'll even eat the shipping to me. - oh wait - that would be a violation of the rules, as I'd be selling with less than 100 posts....
Mrbigbluelight is correct - I'm not here to create trouble, or cherry pick your FM. I planned to be a regular contributor, but the pm from moderator "F1nut" is rather off-putting. Delete as many of my posts as you want, sir.
Sorry again for any issues I created.
99 44/100ths of us are much friendlier than F1Nut. I know that's not saying much.
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I'm not a moderator, but if I recall you are on another forum and as such should know to read the rules, which as of this point in time have not changed.
I choose to PM you instead of calling you out on the forum, too bad you could not have returned in kind.
You are correct, I am in fact a moderator at another forum. When it comes to moderator interference, I believe less is more. I've learned a lot about how people interact if left to their own devices, and how that dynamic changes radically, the more "moderation" is imposed on the populace.
I have no defense for my violation of the rules, save that I thought the requirements were/are in flux, and I felt (obviously wrongly) that there would be no harm in entering a transaction at my current post level. In the interest of full disclosure, I sold a Pioneer DVD player to another member here, when I was at about 40 posts or so - just don't want this to come to light later, and look like I was hiding something...
As for having these discussions via pm vs out in the open, I've found that the less that happens behind the scenes the better. I stand by full and open disclosure, leaving no skeletons to be dredged up later...
If I need to do anything to make this whole situation "right" please let me know.
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Well Kurt, I see I'm still in your head, rent free. Chuckle.....chucklePolitical Correctness'.........defined
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Well Kurt, I see I'm still in your head, rent free. Chuckle.....chuckle
F1, you are such a Beloved, Overly Zealous Oracle, how can we not all be thinking about you, every minute of every day?
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Wow.
First, I apologize for creating such a stir. I have been awaiting the results of the "poll" that was taken a while back, but must have missed it. It seemed from the comments that the general consensus was to let the seller decide.
If I stepped on any "legacy member's" ties by purchasing these amps, I will sell either of the two (or both) of the amps I acquire, for the price George listed. I'll even eat the shipping to me. - oh wait - that would be a violation of the rules, as I'd be selling with less than 100 posts....
Mrbigbluelight is correct - I'm not here to create trouble, or cherry pick your FM. I planned to be a regular contributor, but the pm from moderator "F1nut" is rather off-putting. Delete as many of my posts as you want, sir.
Sorry again for any issues I created.
I have no issues with you whatsoever. Ever since your first posts I've hoped that you would hang around and be a contributing member.
I have no problems with Mr. Grand selling to you. In fact, I'm happy that he found a local buyer for some of his gear.
I have no problem with Jesse because he is being true to his word. While we do not agree on the subject, kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
My original post is clear as to what I have a problem with in this situation.
daddyjt, enjoy your gear and continue to frequent CP. I think most would agree that you would be a welcomed addition to the forum.
For everyone here, please don't make this an issue of George and daddyjt. That is not the purpose of this thread.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Couldn't agree more. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure I've posted those exact sentiments a time or two.As for having these discussions via pm vs out in the open, I've found that the less that happens behind the scenes the better. I stand by full and open disclosure, leaving no skeletons to be dredged up later...
If I need to do anything to make this whole situation "right" please let me know.
You need to do nothing more than enjoy your new gear as far as I'm concerned.
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I use to watch & comment on FS post & one day someone gave me crap about someone who posted a item for sale with only 3 post EVER. I was basically told it was ok. So it depends on WHO you are. I thought i was helping the community doing what the RULE SAY. I was wrong. So i no longer care...
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Interesting. Reading any of your posts in this thread: http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/168815/should-we-change-the-flea-market-rules#latest would seem to contradict your being ok with this sale. I would think you would prefer it be done "off line."
Your absolutely right, I would.
But as you also know, I don't run the joint. I'm also just another member like the rest of you. However, there are some circumstances in said situation that dictates to leave it alone, of which I already pointed out....so I did.
Jesse feels a tad different than me, and I can't fault him for that either. Rules are rules and none of us should be above them.
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As for having these discussions via pm vs out in the open, I've found that the less that happens behind the scenes the better. I stand by full and open disclosure, leaving no skeletons to be dredged up later...
Fine, you want out in the open. I did not say or imply that I was a moderator, nor I did not say I was going to delete your posts. I said I asked for your posts to be deleted. Furthermore, you knew the rules and choose to ignore them, twice!
Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I'm glad I'm not a member of any forum you moderate.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I've asked Ken if he can change the rules to what the majority voted on, 100 posts to sell, no buyer restrictions. Until then, these are STILL the rules.You must have a total post count of 100 (contribute to the other parts of the forum) before you can buy or sell anything in the "For Sale (FS) Classifieds" or "Garage Sale" forums.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Fine, you want out in the open. I did not say or imply that I was a moderator, nor I did not say I was going to delete your posts. I said I asked for your posts to be deleted. Furthermore, you knew the rules and choose to ignore them, twice!
One displaying your fervor is normally a moderator, or representing a moderator. Asking another to wield the sword on your behalf leaves you responsible for the cuts...Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
Well it sure didn't take long to devolve to a personal attack. Sad.I'm glad I'm not a member of any forum you moderate.
On this at least, we agree.
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Rules don't exist without consequences...just saying, people will typically act in their own best interests unless there are official repercussions.
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Fine, you want out in the open. I did not say or imply that I was a moderator, nor I did not say I was going to delete your posts. I said I asked for your posts to be deleted. Furthermore, you knew the rules and choose to ignore them, twice!
One displaying your fervor is normally a moderator, or representing a moderator. Asking another to wield the sword on your behalf leaves you responsible for the cuts...Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
Well it sure didn't take long to devolve to a personal attack. Sad.I'm glad I'm not a member of any forum you moderate.
On this at least, we agree.
I always man up. You just keep making excuses and have now gone for the deflection. Neither is looking good for you, better stop now.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have amended the rules.
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