LsiM707 deep thoughts by afterburnt

afterburnt
afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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I never had a deep though in my life but I digress. I have been letting the dog listen to these since I got them and I finally had a chance to do some serious but brief listening. I was pretty impressed when I played a blue ray audio in high res pcm however some of the regular cd's were somewhat disappointing. The output quality varied a lot between the selections that I listened to. In some cases it was like emlyn said on another thread "it can seem like the midrange/tweeter section is sitting on top of a subwoofer" this only occurred on a couple of the songs that I played from my "test cd's" the rest of the songs sounded very good. The other non test cd that I listened to sounded really cruddy. I do not fault the speakers at all, I think they are just more revealing than what I am used to. I am afraid to listen to anything else and I have decided to give up on this hobby once I buy some more stuff.
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,535
    After a couple hundred hours on mine, they seem to have blossomed a good bit and opened up. Through the first few dozen hours they seemed to have a somewhat dull and closed in sound from time to time. I noticed the same thing with the 703s. Now they are more open and vibrant with less required on the volume knob. Bass is solid. Not of the same quality as big SDAs, but few speakers can be as seamless and live sounding as those. They are accurate and revealing speakers. Certainly comparable to other box speakers at their full retail price but I'm thinking of demoing some pairs of GoldenEar Triton speakers in the next couple of months.
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I am afraid to listen to anything else and I have decided to give up on this hobby once I buy some more stuff.

    True signature material there, afterburnt! :p

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    These speakers do really well if you feed them the right material.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    When I owned my Dynaudio Audience 82's , they where very like how you described. I could listen to high rez stuff and think they where the best speakers made. I could listen to other stuff that I like but maybe wasn't recorded the best and wanted to turn it off.
    Movies where crazy clear but had no punch or impact. I would watch a action movie with explosions and be bored. Yeah I could hear every single detail but with little impact. I had a full Audience theater system with their reference sub500.
    I sold them years ago for a couple different reasons but this reason was one of the bigger ones.
    Owning speakers that do things great and others that suck **** just sucks to me. I switched gear and picked up a line of speakers that do everything great even poor recording are listenable. Which is something I really love about my current speaker package. Not to mention they can scrare the hell out of me when watching movies with the volume up a bit. They are dynamic as hell.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    @mantis so what are you running now?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    He's got Definitive Technology Mythos ST speakers IIRC....
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @mantis so what are you running now?
    Yes I'm running a Full Definitive Technology Mythos System consisting on ST fronts , 10 center 10 surrounds. The synergy is ridiculous having the same exact center and surround which has the exact same configuration as the ST has. I also believe the crossover points gotta be very close to the same as when things move around the room they sound the same. I can't say that of all the surround systems I owned over the years. Amazing system to say the least.
    I've powered it with a full NAD separates system and a Pioneer Elite SC-68 receiver.
    Completely wired in Audioquest.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    @mantis those are some cool speakers,are the surround actuall mount on the wall?
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    edited August 2015
    DSkip wrote: »
    Everything in the chain matters. Don't always blame the speakers. Room treatments, placement, sources, cables, etc. It all plays a role. I've found that once you build a balanced system, only the worst of the worst recordings sound bad, and even then, they are still listenable.

    If those 707s are overpowering your room with bass, it will muddy everything up as well.
    @DSkip I said cruddy not muddy. These speakers are pretty much overkill for my room but I think that the biigger issue that I started out with some excellent high res recordings and jumped straight to a not so good regular cd.sprt of like eating all of the red m&m's first and then you are left with nothing but ugly tasting colors, if you get my drift

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    edited August 2015
    Vagner is the bomb yall need to check it out

    Uh this isnt my opera thread is it?
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @mantis those are some cool speakers,are the surround actuall mount on the wall?
    Absolutely and also wired in Audioquest

    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Update: these speakers are certainly earning their keep. They have opened up big time after putting some time on them . there is really no comparison to when they were brand new.they all but sucked at first
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited October 2015
    Burn in? ?

    What are you using as the music source? A CDP, BDP, DAC, or...? That's also a consideration. Digital sources that are NOT musical are a PROBLEM! A BIG ONE!
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    So the burn in time made a huge difference on them yes?
    Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    edited October 2015
    erniejade wrote: »
    So the burn in time made a huge difference on them yes?

    absolutely, they sounded worse that the Monitor 70s that they replace at first. Have been running in 9.2 to get everything broke in but now when I go back to 2 channel with the 707s there is no reason to run all 9 channels. the sound stage of the 707s is amazing
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    Its amazing the difference burn in makes on equipment from cables on down.
    Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
    What speaker cable you using AB?
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    oh Fuerez
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    cnh wrote: »
    Burn in? ?

    What are you using as the music source? A CDP, BDP, DAC, or...? That's also a consideration. Digital sources that are NOT musical are a PROBLEM! A BIG ONE!

    cnh it is all in my sig playing all of my music from an old portable HDD USB through the Oppo
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    the AVR is doing the DAC work I guess
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    Let the oppo do the conversion for two channel. I have not ever heard any avr that wasn't at least slightly veiled from presumably digital noise. My Yammi does quite good, but letting the Bda1040 convert the digital signal and using its analog out for music made a noticeable improvement in clarity, presence, and overall musicality.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    I had hoped that the AVR sabre DACS were good enough.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    The sabres are not the problem. It's all of the other circuitry, digital video, etc. that increases the noise.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    So should I get a stand alone DAC ? For music?
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    You could. Or, use the analog out of the oppo.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    then the Oppo would be strictly 2 channel?
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited October 2015
    If your avr has mult-channel inputs you could go that route or just use the left and right analog out to a separate audio input on the avr. The latter is how mine is connected. Movies and such uses the hdmi out and music uses the analog. Just a matter of switching the input selection. If your avr is similar to mine you can also run an analog option on the bluray input by connecting the analog cables to the same av designation then press option on the remote and select analog. Good luck.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,185
    I am afraid to listen to anything else and I have decided to give up on this hobby once I buy some more stuff.
    Now that right there explains how it all starts.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    jeremymarcinko wrote: »
    If your avr has mult-channel inputs you could go that route or just use the left and right analog out to a separate audio input on the avr. The latter is how mine is connected. Movies and such uses the hdmi out and music uses the analog. Just a matter of switching the input selection. If your avr is similar to mine you can also run an analog option on the bluray input by connecting the analog cables to the same av designation then press option on the remote and select analog. Good luck.

    Maybe I will need some better IC's than the BJC's to do this ya think? Maybe you can PM me with the exact setup to run 2 channel from the Oppo. I have a 103 from what I gather the 105 DAC is way better.
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