Leadership
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Are people born leaders or people become leaders?
Leadership consists of countless many types. Transformational, Transistional, Emergent, Servant Leader, etc.... What do you think?
A born leader has tendencies to believe in reality was determined at birth. Cruelty by definition is merely the conception by those being lead, subordinates. But they deserve it, and they must be lead.
Then you have the leader that became. From experience and understanding. Softer. But could relate.
So what is it?
Halen
Leadership consists of countless many types. Transformational, Transistional, Emergent, Servant Leader, etc.... What do you think?
A born leader has tendencies to believe in reality was determined at birth. Cruelty by definition is merely the conception by those being lead, subordinates. But they deserve it, and they must be lead.
Then you have the leader that became. From experience and understanding. Softer. But could relate.
So what is it?
Halen
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Born leaders are tyrants, "become" leaders tend to consider those lower than themselves because they were there once...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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Guess I should have answered your question as you asked it, ooops. IMO, both...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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So what do you think? Are people born a leader?
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Like any other personality trait you can either have it from a young age or "gain" it later. Both, is my answer.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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For instance. Many people will read what this thread is about, but could not respond. There are many reasons to not respond.
A born leader will read and decide to respond. If it serves a purpose. They are always in control and must see where this may lead, if it serves their importance. If not, they will exert their control. They do not require assurance when they do respond. Confidence.
A leader that becomes.. Can not immediately respond yet. Weighs the pros and cons. Even then, they are not sure yet. They seek assurance.
So.what do you think? We are in a digital age hiding behind our screens. Leaders. Are they bound by screens and keyboards?
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Born leaders are tyrants, "become" leaders tend to consider those lower than themselves because they were there once...
Some of it depends on how you define a leader. Just because someone is in a leadership position does not make them a leader. I'd say that a tyrant is not much of a leader. I've known many born leaders who were not tyrants.
Also, a born leader often has to move up the ladder to a leadership position, thus they also were there once.
I know that some people that have the "it" factor that people want to follow. Doesn't necessarily mean they are a good leader, just that they have great leadership qualities that came naturally to them. A former teacher once told me about my uncle, "He was the best leader this school has ever seen, he just led everyone in the wrong direction." If you knew my uncle you'd know it was an accurate statement.
It's a complicated question. Many books written on the subject. I had a masters level class devoted to leadership and I found it to be very entertaining/enlightening listening to others views on the subject.
My final answer: There is no correct answer.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
i will paint a Broad stroke that leaders are sales people. My question is, how much of a tool are they? Reference the original question.
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Nothing wrong with being a born leader as it comes from the parents. Being a leader means knowing how to be cruel and when to be kind.
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There have been societies that have had NO clearly defined, nor permanent leaders. And that may have been going on longer than those more recent ones that have had leaders. So the question becomes "born" where, when?
There are also current movements like various contemporary forms of Anarchism that eschew the concept of a leader because of the problems it entails. Preferring organization that is autonomous, voluntary, self-organizing, for the purpose of mutual aid and governing through Direct Democracy (as opposed to representational Democracy).
Some Futurists even argue that as Technology allows for more and more decentralization and less and less governance of the usual kind we will return to more of a leaderless period. Will have less of a need for the "Leader"! I am not arguing for or against this, but it is something to consider. Whenever we pose a question we must also consider its antithesis, no?
It also sounds like you may have had one beer too many? Why the concern with leaders? As I grow older and, not necessarily, wiser, I look back upon great leaders, I read the histories and there are always too many aporias there, always!Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
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Depends on you definition of leadership. A leader can be appointed, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will be effective.
Another can lead through intimidation, again doesn't mean he has any leadership ability what so ever.
If you want to know the best type of leader, it is one who has learned the skill. He or she may not be the senior person, or the one appointed to the position, but the person who is recognized by most involved as the defacto leader none the less.
We've all met that person, or may have been him at one time or another. The person who everybody looks at out of the corner of their eye when a situation seems to be getting out of control.
In other words leadership is a combination of a few things. The knowledge necessary to solve the problem. The earned respect of those involved. The confidence in himself to make the call. Finally to accept the consequences of the decision.
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^^^^ touche'. 100℅. LMAO
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Depends on you definition of leadership. A leader can be appointed, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will be effective.
Effective leadership is learned. Everything else is not worth discussing.
^^ This ^^ for me is it - I tell young managers "leaders" all the time, you cannot command respect, you have to earn it. Some leaders are born, but good leadership is earned and created.
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Thanks guys. I have been reading my case studies from many years ago. It is interesting to see leadership change with the evolving work place.
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Cruelty has no proper place in society, let alone parenting or leadership.polkfarmboy wrote: »Nothing wrong with being a born leader as it comes from the parents. Being a leader means knowing how to be cruel and when to be kind.
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Cruelty has no proper place in society, let alone parenting or leadership.polkfarmboy wrote: »Nothing wrong with being a born leader as it comes from the parents. Being a leader means knowing how to be cruel and when to be kind.
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Two words that led me to the top of every sales position I have ever held (and made a crapload of money using these 2 words........are ya ready????????????...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Follow Me!!!"if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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tophatjohnny wrote: »Two words that led me to the top of every sales position I have ever held (and made a crapload of money using these 2 words........are ya ready????????????...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Follow Me!!!
Last time I listened to those 2 words i woke up with horrible hangover, next to an ugly chick 2 states away.HT SYSTEM-
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A leader is anybody who gets good things done with the help of others whom he/he has enlisted for the purpose.
Born? Made? Who cares?
Note that I said "good" things. Hitler was not a leader, for example.Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
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Speaking of sales, I thought the 2 words you were going to say were , " How many"? as in how many do you want to buy?tophatjohnny wrote: »Two words that led me to the top of every sales position I have ever held (and made a crapload of money using these 2 words........are ya ready????????????...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Follow Me!!!
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I'd love to agree with this, but I have to respectfully disagree. I believe you can be a "bad" leader, as in not using your leadership skills for good. Extreme example would be Charles Manson. Imagine if he had used his leadership ability for good. As I mentioned in my earlier post, my uncle was a leader, but not a good one. People followed him naturally, but unfortunately he was leading them into places that were not productive.Moose68Bash wrote: »A leader is anybody who gets good things done with the help of others whom he/he has enlisted for the purpose.
Born? Made? Who cares?
Note that I said "good" things. Hitler was not a leader, for example.
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Cruelty has no proper place in society, let alone parenting or leadership.polkfarmboy wrote: »Nothing wrong with being a born leader as it comes from the parents. Being a leader means knowing how to be cruel and when to be kind.
I hope he meant "stern" instead of cruel.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Stalin was a great but cruel leader. He took a country from nothing
to a world power. Let's face it. A large number of the world's great leaders
were rotten human beings. Guys like Gandii are few and far between."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
My **** itches sometimes...I lead my fingers to scratch it...therefore I'm a leader...bow down before me. The thread is sophist bullsh*t.
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Not even chickenbreastRon Temple wrote: »Can't even type sphinc...ter...on this forum any more.
watch chicken breast
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Well that came through...but not the overwhelming reasons for this thread...lol.
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I was once in a corporate warm & fuzzy course about leadership....the instructors asked us for examples of great leaders from history. My example was Hitler - although a terrible human being, an extremely effective leader.
Needless to say, my example didn't go ever well with the instructors - they couldn't get off the subject quick enough after that. -
Leadership....that's someone you trust to make competent decisions about stuff you know nothing about. How to achieve a goal that you have no idea how to achieve.....good or bad.
Say what you will about Hitler, but he was a leader, to bad ends though. He got a whole nation behind him, off a cliff no doubt, but they were all moving in one direction.
To be a leader, one needs confidence, patience, goals, knowledge of how to achieve those goals, adaptability, powers of persuasion. Good or evil makes no difference, the requirements for leadership applies to both.
Of course it also requires someone who needs/wants to be led. A leader with no followers is just another bossy pants.HT SYSTEM-
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I'd love to agree with this, but I have to respectfully disagree. I believe you can be a "bad" leader, as in not using your leadership skills for good. Extreme example would be Charles Manson. Imagine if he had used his leadership ability for good. As I mentioned in my earlier post, my uncle was a leader, but not a good one. People followed him naturally, but unfortunately he was leading them into places that were not productive.Moose68Bash wrote: »A leader is anybody who gets good things done with the help of others whom he/he has enlisted for the purpose.
Born? Made? Who cares?
Note that I said "good" things. Hitler was not a leader, for example.
There's a difference between a "leader" and a "charlatan."
Both can be extraordinarily effective in enlisting followers to achieve goals, worthy or not.
The former is a leader because his/her goals are for the betterment of those who follow.
The latter is a charlatan because his goals are a fraud, a hoax, an illusion that he/she makes appear attractive to impressionable and misguided people to fulfill his egotistical ends.
Among the former are Ghandi, Lincoln, Christ (in my humble opinion), Churchill.
Among the latter are Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, to name only a few of the monsters of human history.
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