Bi-wiring: An interesting article regarding speaker cables
vc69
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Perhaps we can continue this discussion without a thread closure.
Please read this, then discuss (like gentleman?)
http://www.resolutionmag.com/pdfs/DRAGONS/SPEAKE~1.PDF
Please read this, then discuss (like gentleman?)
http://www.resolutionmag.com/pdfs/DRAGONS/SPEAKE~1.PDF
-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's
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I don't believe I saw anyone mention the specific reasons bi-wiring is favorable. This article explains it quite well.-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
For some reason that link isn't working for me. Care to give a short summation ?
Personally, I've never found I could tell the difference in my system with my ears. Doesn't mean others can't though.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Hmm... working for me. It's a PDF. I'll try to attach and upload. Really good stuff in the article, whether you are a "cable guy" or not. Explains the reasons why bi-wiring is a good idea.-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
How about that, Tony?-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
Written in 2002. Entire article based on assumptions, no data. Basically, a Roger Russell article. Nothing to discuss in article that hasn't been debunked an infinite number of times in the last decade or so.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Fox, did you even read the article?
I'm afraid nothing much has changed in the last decade or so, however I would direct your attention to WHY bi-wiring is a good idea, and leave the rest if you disagree.
-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
Of course. Otherwise I would not have commented. Did I miss something?Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Summary - The author advocates bi wiring with lawnmower cable over single wiring with audiophile cable. Also, keep your speaker cable runs short as possible.
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I don't believe I saw anyone mention the specific reasons bi-wiring is favorable. This article explains it quite well.
I discussed it in the other thread, on page 5, but it got buried in the noise.Written in 2002. Entire article based on assumptions, no data. Basically, a Roger Russell article.
Is that the same Roger Russel who railed against high performance audio cables for decades, but when he wanted to sell $18,000 a pair speakers, he wired them up with "audiophile grade" Cardas wire? Then, when he was called a hypocrite, he said he still doesn't believe in audio grade wire, he just did it because he was trying to sell speakers ... to gullible audiophiles.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »I discussed it in the other thread, on page 5, but it got buried in the noise.
Missed that somehow.DarqueKnight wrote: »Is that the same Roger Russel who railed against high performance audio cables for decades, but when he wanted to sell $18,000 a pair speakers, he wired them up with "audiophile grade" Cardas wire? Then, when he was called a hypocrite, he said he still doesn't believe in audio grade wire, he just did it because he was trying to sell speakers ... to gullible audiophiles.
His position regarding wire is common among many audio engineers, however not one I subscribe to.
The article covered the reasons why bi-wiring is favorable, and what happens between an amp/wire/speakers, in relatively easy to understand terms. I thought that alone was quite useful info for those "reading" and not "participating" in these discussions.-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
I think Ray's reference was meant to be a tongue in cheek response to Bud's assessment of the article.
Unfortunately, I agree with Bud's assessment for the most part."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
He could of used a technical editor person. Some things could have been better said. And he got transmission line impedance and end-to-end impedance all mixed up. But the paper is now 13 years old and it is what it is was.