Bi-wiring: An interesting article regarding speaker cables

vc69
vc69 Posts: 2,500
edited June 2015 in 2 Channel Audio
Perhaps we can continue this discussion without a thread closure.

Please read this, then discuss (like gentleman?)

http://www.resolutionmag.com/pdfs/DRAGONS/SPEAKE~1.PDF
-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    I don't believe I saw anyone mention the specific reasons bi-wiring is favorable. This article explains it quite well.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    For some reason that link isn't working for me. Care to give a short summation ?

    Personally, I've never found I could tell the difference in my system with my ears. Doesn't mean others can't though.
    HT SYSTEM-
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

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    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited June 2015
    Hmm... working for me. It's a PDF. I'll try to attach and upload. Really good stuff in the article, whether you are a "cable guy" or not. Explains the reasons why bi-wiring is a good idea.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    How about that, Tony?
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Written in 2002. Entire article based on assumptions, no data. Basically, a Roger Russell article. Nothing to discuss in article that hasn't been debunked an infinite number of times in the last decade or so.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited June 2015
    Fox, did you even read the article?
    I'm afraid nothing much has changed in the last decade or so, however I would direct your attention to WHY bi-wiring is a good idea, and leave the rest if you disagree.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Of course. Otherwise I would not have commented. Did I miss something?
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,054
    Summary - The author advocates bi wiring with lawnmower cable over single wiring with audiophile cable. Also, keep your speaker cable runs short as possible.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    vc69 wrote: »
    I don't believe I saw anyone mention the specific reasons bi-wiring is favorable. This article explains it quite well.

    I discussed it in the other thread, on page 5, but it got buried in the noise.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Written in 2002. Entire article based on assumptions, no data. Basically, a Roger Russell article.

    Is that the same Roger Russel who railed against high performance audio cables for decades, but when he wanted to sell $18,000 a pair speakers, he wired them up with "audiophile grade" Cardas wire? Then, when he was called a hypocrite, he said he still doesn't believe in audio grade wire, he just did it because he was trying to sell speakers ... to gullible audiophiles.

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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    I discussed it in the other thread, on page 5, but it got buried in the noise.

    Missed that somehow.
    Is that the same Roger Russel who railed against high performance audio cables for decades, but when he wanted to sell $18,000 a pair speakers, he wired them up with "audiophile grade" Cardas wire? Then, when he was called a hypocrite, he said he still doesn't believe in audio grade wire, he just did it because he was trying to sell speakers ... to gullible audiophiles.
    Not the same guy, hardly the same nonsense.

    His position regarding wire is common among many audio engineers, however not one I subscribe to.
    The article covered the reasons why bi-wiring is favorable, and what happens between an amp/wire/speakers, in relatively easy to understand terms. I thought that alone was quite useful info for those "reading" and not "participating" in these discussions.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    I think Ray's reference was meant to be a tongue in cheek response to Bud's assessment of the article.

    Unfortunately, I agree with Bud's assessment for the most part.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • Speedskater
    Speedskater Posts: 495
    He could of used a technical editor person. Some things could have been better said. And he got transmission line impedance and end-to-end impedance all mixed up. But the paper is now 13 years old and it is what it is was.