Best 65 or 70 inch 4K TV?

Joey_V

Hey guys,

Figure I would the brain pool of CP members.

What is the #1 and #2 best TVs on the market that is 4K with 3D and is either 65 or 70 inches?

I was looking at Sony XBR 900 or 850 series...

Budget below 5 figures.

Emlyn

Sony has new models out this month. Take a look at the 850C and 930C models. The Sony site has the new models on sale at a good discount. Stores may not quite have them on display yet.

txcoastal1

Wait till after CES 2016
4k/UHD still in infantcy stage

Joey_V

When is ces 2016? Is that next year? I don't think I can wait a year because we kinda need one sooner

txcoastal1

CES is the first week in January, out with the old in with the new. That's why Superbowl has the best sales of the year on last years liquidations

Joey_V

txcoastal1 wrote: »

CES is the first week in January, out with the old in with the new. That's why Superbowl has the best sales of the year on last years liquidations

Ayiyi

Jetmaker737

I got a 65 inch XBR 850B a few weeks ago. It is absolutely beautiful.

tonyb

Zero wrote: »

Up it by a grand and bring home the X950b. It (vastly) outperforms everything else in the Sony lineup.

I dunno about "vastly", but it is better. The others in Sony's lineup are no slouch either but stay in the B or C series. Samsung would be my other option to look at but for me their screen are very reflective, like a mirror. Can get irritating in the wrong room.

Joey_V

Zero wrote: »

Up it by a grand and bring home the X950b. It (vastly) outperforms everything else in the Sony lineup.

Hey you wanna hand me that extra grand, brother?

Joey_V

Whats the difference between B and C series for sony?

How is the best LG comparable?

Not sure about Samsung.. we've had 2 dead sammies...

But what about curved?

Emlyn

Joey_V wrote: »

Whats the difference between B and C series for sony?

About $300!

The only other differences I can tell are a different type of stand and possibly newer programming for motion control. Apart from that they look the same to me.

It'll probably be hard to find a B series now, although there some available still.

BlueFox

txcoastal1 wrote: »

CES is the first week in January, out with the old in with the new. That's why Superbowl has the best sales of the year on last years liquidations

And the 2015 CES is when the new Sony's metioned above, that will soon be on sale, were announced, so you are still looking at a year lag before anything new in 2016 is for sale.

txcoastal1

BlueFox wrote: »

txcoastal1 wrote: »

CES is the first week in January, out with the old in with the new. That's why Superbowl has the best sales of the year on last years liquidations

And the 2015 CES is when the new Sony's metioned above, that will soon be on sale, were announced, so you are still looking at a year lag before anything new in 2016 is for sale.

We are looking at trends that will equal the playing field. Forecast is improvements and decrease in pricing, making the 4k sets more of the market standard rather than the latest gadget with high prices.

tonyb

Joey, the LG's I looked at didn't have that pop like Samsung or Sony. The key to a 4k tv is how well it does upconversion of standard 1080, which is what the majority of what you'll be watching anyway. The Sony's and Sammy's do it very well. Samsung makes processors. The only drawback is the reflective screen and terrible customer service though Sony isn't much better in the CS regard. Sony's triluminous screen though is less reflective and seems to make colors pop like an Oled. Best way to describe it is it brings the color of a good plasma with the brightness of an LED.

Sharp also has a very nice picture and good upscaling with little to no motion lag on their better models.

WLDock

Joey, I'm sure you will go with a $ony....

However, myself (poor)...In the next year I want to move away from my DLP. I've been really watching the 70" Vizio P-Series. http://www.vizio.com/p-series

While not as good as the best Sony (Well...Vizio is releasing their Reference Series that they claim will be the bees knees) the P-Series seems like a nice value....its not just a cheap set (Like their lower line E an M series) it actually brings the quality and features of some other others brands for less money.

Some of the reviews are interesting...

"Whether you're spending $1,000 or $10,000, you want the best picture quality you can buy. Yet with all the new 4K (UHD) TVs crowding stores, buyers in the market for a world-beating TV have only had two choices: Opt for an ultra-expensive, top-of-the-line 4K TV now, or go with an excellent 1080p TV that'll potentially be obsolete in a few years.
Thanks to Vizio, you finally have another option. The company's P Series 4K TVs debuted at CES this past January, with the 50-inch base model starting at just $999. Available in sizes up to 70 inches, these TVs provide a high-quality 4K picture at aggressively low prices. Our test unit, the 65-inch Vizio P652ui-B2 (MSRP $2,199), doesn't just look acceptable—it looks outstanding. Even compared to the best 4K TVs we've tested, this one stands out as an exceptional performer.

If you're looking to get the most bang for your buck, this is easily the best value in 4K this year. The catch? The design is a little chintzy and there are precious few of the smart features found on other 4K TVs. But with competing televisions costing four times as much, you're getting filet mignon at rump roast prices."

"The Vizio P-Series line of 4K ultra HD TVs are some of the latest additions to the new models that have emerged in a near flood in the second half of 2014 from all of the major brands. What’s revolutionary about this particular line from the Vizio brand is that they come with virtually all of the top-shelf technology of Samsung, Panasonic, Sony or LG TVs but at a dramatically reduced price tag in comparison to what their competitors offer in the same size and specs categories."

"Aside from 4K resolution, the headline feature here is full-array local dimming. Every other 4K TV with local dimming, full-array or edge-lit, is significantly more expensive than the P series, and indeed all but four mainstream 2014 4K sets -- the Sony XBR-X950B, the Toshiba L9400, the Panasonic AX900 and Vizio's own R series -- have the typically less-effective edge-lit scheme. Each size in the P series gets 64 dimmable zones, with the exception of the 70-incher, which gets 72. Most sizes in the M-series, by way of comparison, get 32 zones, while the E-series has even fewer."

Joey_V

Learned quite a bit on this thread.

I suppose it's down to sony xbr950 vs 900 vs 850. 850 is cheapest but also is a little dull appearing comparatively. The 900 has the speakers on the side so I guess that could be cool as an all in one? Easy for the wife to play with the audio without having to connect speakers?

The 950 I suppose is top of the line. Now I figured it out with regards to sonys.

I see LG has oled... Any good?

And what about I these curved samsungs?

tonyb

Oled has a lot of motion lag still, so their processors may not be up to snuff. Least last years models anyway. Longevity of that Oled screen is also a concern, specs I believe put them somewhere at 8000 hours for half life. Meaning they will lose half their brightness by 8k hours. Plasma though has a half life of around 10k, so slightly less than your standard plasma.....but costs a heck of a lot more.

The curved screen by Samsung is simply a gimmick. It will make watching at angles more challenging but then again LED was never that good at angles anyway. Some like the curve, some not. Some feel it's more immersive, others feel it makes the reflections even worse on an already reflective screen. Either way, if it floats your boat, go for it.

The differences in the Sony B and C series seems to be software related. Earlier sets had problems with streaming content reliably, the later B series and C seem to have fixed that. If I had your wallet, the 950 or 900 series of Sony would be the top contenders followed by the Sammy hu900, JU, straight or curved screen.

Walk into any store and compare the pics. It's more than obvious Sammy and Sony have it a few notches above the competition.

txcoastal1

Here's an article that supports why you should wait

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2015/02/25/dont-buy-a-4k-tv-right-now/2/

I will try not to hop on the tech bandwagon if I can help it. Back 7-8 years ago I was probably the 1st one to by the 55" class LED (Samsung & yes she is still running strong)...4 months later they released the "B" version which came with upgrades I wish i had, but at the time I got great dealer pricing and needed a new TV so no biggie.

There is a curve coming which will be better and/or cheaper

Emlyn

The Forbes article says to wait for a set that has HDCP 2.2, but the Sony XBR sets have that on all HDMI inputs. That's not to say the 4K Blu Ray players that are supposed to be available later this year will work without firmware updates to the TV sets, but the architecture is already in place on most 4K sets now which are entering their 3rd generation. A real problem is that most current and older receivers do not have this functionality and won't be able to pass through a 4K signal.

txcoastal1

That is correct but some sets are not capable for all firmware upgrades due to current chip sets

jflail2

I have the Sony 850B 65" and have been extremely pleased with the picture. Upconversion is good, no motion lag of note etc. I liked the 950, but not $1k extra worth of like. For me, the 850 was the sweet spot between quality and price. Good luck with your hunt.

tophatjohnny

Which ever one you get will be the best! They're all good!! Just grab one and enjoy!!

BlueFox

How about a nice LG OLED?

http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-displays-latest-oled-tv-sticks-to-the-wall-is-under-1mm-thick/

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Joey_V wrote: »

Learned quite a bit on this thread.

I suppose it's down to sony xbr950 vs 900 vs 850. 850 is cheapest but also is a little dull appearing comparatively. The 900 has the speakers on the side so I guess that could be cool as an all in one? Easy for the wife to play with the audio without having to connect speakers?

The 950 I suppose is top of the line. Now I figured it out with regards to sonys.

I see LG has oled... Any good?

And what about I these curved samsungs?

Mark off Samsung TV's. Very nice picture but what is the point if it is always in repair?

Curve... Curve looks bad ****. What else is the purpose? Immersion? Oh that. How would it be immersive and wrap around you? Even at 70 inches, unless you are sitting right up against it, it immerses nothing. You will have to go much, much larger.

My curved screen is easily double that on a 2.37.

I would go with a Sony 4K projector on a much larger curved screen. It will smoke any of the above mentioned.

You need to see mine, on a true curved screen.

Halen

tonyb

The HEVC decoder is also key. A lot of sets from 2014 didn't have it and basically made them immediately obsolete. Talk about a lot of pissed off people.

4K is the industry driver right now. It's what will get people off the couch and open their wallets.....and that's the name of the game. Some can ding Samsung on the repair issues, but if you really dig into reviews most all brands are the same when it comes to repairs. Lets face it, TV's are not built to last long these days. Built in obsolesce we call it. However, spending a couple grand on a TV and having it last under 3 years, people will get hot under the collar.

Buy the tv with the best processor is my advice. It will allow for the best viewing experience, the least motion lag, better streaming capabilities, and better upscaling of 1080 sources. After all, aside from blu-ray 4k discs, streaming some 4k content is the only other way to get it. Regular broadcast tv is still stuck in 1080i, you won't see 4k broadcast in your life time I'll bet.

Even if they did, imagine what they'd charge for it. Even now, cable companies charge you extra for 1080i. Music services charge extra for cd quality.

If I were to read between the lines, I'd say that some see these newer audio and visual formats as a flash in the pan because the bandwidth required simply isn't there to accommodate everyone. Technology is moving at such a fast rate, yet the delivery systems is still stuck in the mud.

So why buy a 4k now ? Some say your not smarter than a 5th grader if you do. Simple answer is....for the upscaling. It does make a difference if you cherish picture quality as much as your audio quality. Regular broadcast TV does look better on a 4k set. Some say you can't notice unless your 3 ft away from the screen. Baloney I say, it is very noticeable. Maybe not as much on smaller screens, but if your looking at 55 inchers or larger, yeah....you'll notice.

Joey_V

Good post tonyb.

Lots to think about

schwarcw

I am a big fan of Vizio. It's great quality for a cheap price. Buy it at Sam's and get an extended warranty. If it goes bad in five years, you get a new TV. I love their warranty and return process!

Joey_V

After hemming and hawing, I decided to buy OLED. It just looks fantastic.

Doesn't matter if it dies in less than 5 years... Figured the next big thing will be out by then anyway.

Polkie2009

Congrats Joey, did you go with one of the LG's OLED? You're probably right, in 5 yrs. we'll have 8K tv sets to decide on,lol.

Joey_V

Polkie2009 wrote: »

Congrats Joey, did you go with one of the LG's OLED? You're probably right, in 5 yrs. we'll have 8K tv sets to decide on,lol.

Yeah an LG oled... Looks great and the blacks are really like tar. Kinda weird at first

tonyb

Oled still suffers the dreaded motion lag and if sports is your main gig, I wouldn't go there. Until they get the processing right anyway.

4K....don't buy it for 4k because the lack of 4k stuff to watch boggles the mind. Buy it for it's upscaling of 1080p material. About the same picture improvement from going 1080i -1080p.