SVS PB13-Ultra?
Pinktulip7
Posts: 249
Hi I currently have SVS PC12-Ultra(525 Watts Bash AMP) and wondering if upgrading to PB13-Ultra worthy?
TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear
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Absolutely!
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TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
I never heard the PB13-Ultra and its supposed to be awesome. However, $2K can buy a lot of bass these days. Two of the new Power Sound Audio V1500s for $2K would put up number like two Ultras. Its better to use the same level matched subs when running duals.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/1797/files/Comparison_Mini_Chart_V1500_big_v3.png?27352111514009771332.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
I believe SVS quality is awesome and seems way better than other you have listed...TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
I hear where you're coming from, but I'm also willing to get my read on and see what "other" sub manufacturer's have to offer. PSA is no slouch.Pinktulip7 wrote: »I believe SVS quality is awesome and seems way better than other you have listed...
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Well, SVS has been around for awhile (Since 1998) and one of the leaders in the sub-bass industry. Also, the Ultra is a $2K sub, so heck yes its a quality product.Pinktulip7 wrote: »I believe SVS quality is awesome and seems way better than other you have listed...
Power Sound Audio is co-owned by Tom Vodhanel and Jim Farina. Tom is one of the previous co-founders and former head of R&D at SVS. Jim is a former SVS head engineer! http://www.powersoundaudio.com/pages/about-us
Their products have gotten great feedback....don't take my word for it...I've only read up on them. Their products are what I would buy right now if I were looking. However, I went the DIY route and will probably do the same for the next subs when I have more space.
Post edited by WLDock on2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Absolutely, without a doubt! Even at that price it's worth it! I'm also considering a pair of those subs... I was also looking at the Gotham subs, but I like these better! If I purchase some SDS SRA 1.2's, then the subs are out.
It's one or the other for me! Other wise it's ouch time from the wife!SRT Seismic System with dual PSW1200's
RT5000 x 2
RT2000p
CS400i
CS350-LS
LS F/X
PSW650
PSW1000 w/Dayton SPA1000
DSW MicroPro 4000
Adcom amps
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Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable
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Pick up a PC 12 plus and run duals.Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!
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great but I probably go with SVS because sleeker design, modern input and output for future proofing and better quality!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, SVS has been around for awhile (Since 1998) and one of the leaders in the sub-bass industry. Also, the Ultra is a $2K sub, so heck yes its a quality product.Pinktulip7 wrote: »I believe SVS quality is awesome and seems way better than other you have listed...
Power Sound Audio is co-owned by Tom Vodhanel and Jim Farina. Tom is one of the previous co-founders and former head of R&D at SVS. Jim is a former SVS head engineer! http://www.powersoundaudio.com/pages/about-us
Their products have gotten great feedback....don't take my word for it...I've only read up on them. Their products are what I would buy right now if I were looking. However, I went the DIY route and will probably do the same for the next subs when I have more space.
TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
Not to mention it's look awesome!!!Then con is higher price for smaller 13.5' Driver!!!even it perform better than most of the 15' Driver and it only come with one color which is black!!!TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
What about PB-2000? And or SVS PB15-Ultra?TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
If you're spending that kind of coin, check out the HSU Subs. You can grab a dual drive 15h Mk2 for about 2100 shipped, which will best a single PB13 ultra in sheer output and provide a more even room response.
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As will going with another PC12...but the OP seems set on a "better" single sub vs. lesser dual...or subs from other makers. Seems he answered his own question.
Can't go wrong with SVS.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
I currently own 2 PB13 ultras and combined with an antimode 8033sii in a 2800cubic foot room, they kick some serious ****. I have one friend with an hsu vtf15h, another with diy's, and most recently rythmic fv15hp. All awesome subs! But what everyone seems to comment on is the high quality fit and finish of the ultras, and legendary smooth and deep base. There are subs out there where you get more bang for your buck, but in the price range svs fit, finish, and outstanding customer service trumps them all.2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
OMG...Two PB13 ultras...in a room 1/3 the size of mine...that must be an experience.Up
LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
Down
LSiM707 - 706c - 702f/x - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500 -
I agree 100%I currently own 2 PB13 ultras and combined with an antimode 8033sii in a 2800cubic foot room, they kick some serious ****. I have one friend with an hsu vtf15h, another with diy's, and most recently rythmic fv15hp. All awesome subs! But what everyone seems to comment on is the high quality fit and finish of the ultras, and legendary smooth and deep base. There are subs out there where you get more bang for your buck, but in the price range svs fit, finish, and outstanding customer service trumps them all.
TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
My Room is only 14x16 so one Ultra will do it just more than fine!!!!As will going with another PC12...but the OP seems set on a "better" single sub vs. lesser dual...or subs from other makers. Seems he answered his own question.
Can't go wrong with SVS.
TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
Well if you've already made your mind up that the $2K sub is worth it, then why ask here?Pinktulip7 wrote: »My Room is only 14x16 so one Ultra will do it just more than fine!!!!
Yes, your room is not large at all and of course the Ultra would be more than enough. However, matching duals will do something that a single Ultra can't. You already have two subs in your sig so you know what I'm talking about.
Do yourself a favor and ask SVS and their outstanding customer service what they think. Those guys are bass experts.
http://www.svsound.com/t/why-go-dual
2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Inspector 24 wrote: »OMG...Two PB13 ultras...in a room 1/3 the size of mine...that must be an experience.
It is truly incredible and they barely break a sweat.2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
SVS are playing with PB13-Ultra far too long!!!!They haven't upgrade their Driver yet!!!TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
I bought pair of PB13 Ultra's last fall to upgrade from a PB12 Plus/2. SUBSTANTIAL improvement in SQ. Fit and finish is perfection. They blend smoothly for music and come alive when you want them to. Dual subs is definitely the way to go. If you don't try the 13, you won't know what your missing. Free in home demo, what can go wrong?!
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polkaudio Fully Modded SDA SRS 1.2TLs + Dreadnaught, LSiM706c, 4 X Polk Surrounds + 4 X ATMOS, SVS PB13 Ultra X 2, Pass Labs X1, Marantz 7704, Bob Carver Crimson Beauty 350 Tube Mono Blocks, Carver Sunfire Signature Cinema Grande 400x5, ADCOM GFA 7807, Panasonic UB420, Moon 380D DAC, EPSON Pro Cinema 6050 -
Another vote for two cheaper vs one expensive one.
Generally speaking Two $1,000 subs will outperform a single $2,000 sub in terms of even response and overall output.Up
LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
Down
LSiM707 - 706c - 702f/x - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500 -
Dual Sub is ok. for large Room probably like 20x18 or more and it's more complicated
to calibrate it vs. one Sub!!!!!!!!!TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
how did you compare PB13 with PB12+?I bought pair of PB13 Ultra's last fall to upgrade from a PB12 Plus/2. SUBSTANTIAL improvement in SQ. Fit and finish is perfection. They blend smoothly for music and come alive when you want them to. Dual subs is definitely the way to go. If you don't try the 13, you won't know what your missing. Free in home demo, what can go wrong?!
TV :>Panasonic TC-P55VT50
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
FRONT :> L & R :> POLK RTI A9 500 W
AMP :1> PARASOUND HALO A21 250 W
AMP :2> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 W
CENTER :> POLK LSiM 706c 250 W
SURROUND SIDE :> POLK RTi A3 150 W
SURROUND REAR :>POLK FXI A6 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY) :>Panasonic DMP-UB900
POWER CONDITIONER :> PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Front
SUBWOOFER :B> SVS SB16-Ultra 1500 W Rear -
I think you should just go ahead and do it. Get the PB13 or your will never be satisfied until you try it. With your size room you could probably even go with the sealed one if you wanted to for added detail and clarity.Pinktulip7 wrote: »how did you compare PB13 with PB12+?
2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
I have used my PB13 in a 12x12 room and also a 40' x 19' room (open concept living room, dining, kitchen) and in both it is remarkable. Unbelievable output, and extremely articulate. 2 of these in a room on the larger side would be awesome.
Edited...(Correction... I'm a moron. I have the SB13-Ultra. I shouldn't drive by post, I guess. Haven't been here for a while and was looking for some bookshelf speak info... and saw this post. Talk to you all later.....)HT
RTi70 mains
CSi30 center
RTi28 Rears
Velodyne CHT-12
H/K AVR-247
ADCOM GFA-7000
Samsung PN58B860
Playstation 3
2-Channel
Polk Audio LSi15's
Rotel RCD-1072
Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
ADCOM GFA-555
Signal Cable Analog II IC's
Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables -
The improvement in detail over the 12 plus/2 is remarkable. It is so much more refined and articulate. It digs deep without some of the turbulence I experienced from the 12 plus/2. Two $1,000 subs might produce 'more output' than one 13 Ultra but is it quality output? Probably adequate but definitely not superior. In my opinion, the PB13 Ultra is the sub you buy once where you don't need to always wonder if you can do better without taking out a second mortgage.____________________________________________________________
polkaudio Fully Modded SDA SRS 1.2TLs + Dreadnaught, LSiM706c, 4 X Polk Surrounds + 4 X ATMOS, SVS PB13 Ultra X 2, Pass Labs X1, Marantz 7704, Bob Carver Crimson Beauty 350 Tube Mono Blocks, Carver Sunfire Signature Cinema Grande 400x5, ADCOM GFA 7807, Panasonic UB420, Moon 380D DAC, EPSON Pro Cinema 6050 -
Pinktulip7 wrote: »Dual Sub is ok. for large Room probably like 20x18 or more and it's more complicated
to calibrate it vs. one Sub!!!!!!!!!
placement is key. But audyssey, antimode, sms, and others make this a much easier task.
2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
Pinktulip7 wrote: »Dual Sub is ok. for large Room probably like 20x18 or more and it's more complicated
to calibrate it vs. one Sub!!!!!!!!!
placement is key. But audyssey, antimode, sms, and others make this a much easier task.
Exactly. Sub crawl to start. Put the subs in the two best spots. Use a receiver that that calibrates two subs individually.
Up
LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
Down
LSiM707 - 706c - 702f/x - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500 -
Its all about tuning and setup. The PB13 Ultra is definitely an awesome sub, but if I was OP I would go duals and call it a day. I run the newer model PB12/plus 2 in a dual setup and they play very well paired up with the SMS-1.Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!
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