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Jim Shearer wrote: »Hardwood floors can totally change the sound of a system. We recently pulled up wall-to-wall carpet & refinished the oak floors in our living room. Until I put a large oriental carpet in the room, put heavy curtains up & moved soft furniture back in, the stereo was unlistenable. It isn't just about sound bright, it's about the early reflections seriously mucking up the sound.
Cheers, Jim
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Will,
Then maybe stick to what you know works and you like. I don't think the RTI's would shine for you in that environment. Look at Jamo and see what other offerings may fit your budget. Mission speakers may also work, classic British sound.HT SYSTEM-
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Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Your not going to want those RTIAs in your application they are great in a HT dual purpose set up, but in the way you plan on using them take the advice of others and look for someting else.Home Theater
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Thanks again for the help. Yes, going to look for another speaker now. Checking out DIY home built and also some other commercial offerings. Still have some other options in the sub $300 category that may work.
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I'm going to order a DIM (Do It Myself) speaker kit called the Classix II. $250 includes shipping. Has a Vifa Tweeter which is what my Jamo speakers have. Nice mellow sound. The Classix II has bass response below 40 khz too. And the model I am getting is front ported. Reviews are excellent. This should do fine in the environment I have to work with right now.
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I'm going to order a DIM (Do It Myself) speaker kit called the Classix II. $250 includes shipping. Has a Vifa Tweeter which is what my Jamo speakers have. Nice mellow sound. The Classix II has bass response below 40 khz too. And the model I am getting is front ported. Reviews are excellent. This should do fine in the environment I have to work with right now.
I would hope so since that is well beyond human hearing range on the top end!
I have been seriously considering one of the kits from Madisound...my problem is, I can't decide if I want to do a high end kit for the 2 channel system or if I want to do a "low end" kit for my desktop rig at the office...
Good luck with the build and definitely post up a new thread to track the build in the DIY section!
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
The Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 & 10.2 are in your price range. They portray an excellent midrange and a gentle top end. The Klipsch RB-61 II is also now in your price range. Extremely efficient, dynamic, and front ported. Fun speakers.
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
Some people can hear above 20khz. I can. My older sister has eyes that are 20/05 and 20/15 or did when she was younger. I am 20/200 LOL.
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Loud & Clear wrote: »The Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 & 10.2 are in your price range. They portray an excellent midrange and a gentle top end. The Klipsch RB-61 II is also now in your price range. Extremely efficient, dynamic, and front ported. Fun speakers.
Thanks. Will consider them for a second pair purchase which is probable in a year. -
Some people can hear above 20khz. I can.
Not much. The highest frequency on the extended human hearing test frequency range is 22khz. And something like 0.00000001% of the population can hear above 20khz.
Not trying to start a debate over me poking fun at your typo.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
It's not a Typo. Low end hearing is around 20 hz while typical high end hearing for people is 20 khz. I can hear up to 22 khz perhaps a wee bit higher but not sure since the test did not proceed any higher.
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Just found some photos of the Wharfdale speakers. Unfortunately they are rear ported, not front.
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It's not a Typo. Low end hearing is around 20 hz while typical high end hearing for people is 20 khz. I can hear up to 22 khz perhaps a wee bit higher but not sure since the test did not proceed any higher.
I was referring to this typo:The Classix II has bass response below 40 khz too.
I am genuinely curious...are you a Naval sonarman by chance? Because there are almost zero people outside of the Naval Otolaryngologists that even use the extended hearing test except for some VERY high dollar civilian specialists. The extended hearing tests you find online are actually BS as they start to drop off like a rock about 17-18khz.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
It's not a Typo. Low end hearing is around 20 hz while typical high end hearing for people is 20 khz. I can hear up to 22 khz perhaps a wee bit higher but not sure since the test did not proceed any higher.
I was referring to this typo:The Classix II has bass response below 40 khz too.
I am genuinely curious...are you a Naval sonarman by chance? Because there are almost zero people outside of the Naval Otolaryngologists that even use the extended hearing test except for some VERY high dollar civilian specialists. The extended hearing tests you find online are actually BS as they start to drop off like a rock about 17-18khz.
Yep, that one is a Typo.
My brother was a Naval Officer and Sonarman. I am not. I still can hear the high end thought as I mentioned can't hear a thing around 125 hz. Can still hear frequencies below that though. -
Gotcha. Extremely rare gift to be able to hear that high in the range."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Gotcha. Extremely rare gift to be able to hear that high in the range.
Yup. He's actually a half brother. Same Father but different Mother. I have mostly my Mother's side of the family heredity but I think we both share our Father's ears. He had a love of Classical music and also great hearing.
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Loud & Clear wrote: »The Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 & 10.2 are in your price range. They portray an excellent midrange and a gentle top end. The Klipsch RB-61 II is also now in your price range. Extremely efficient, dynamic, and front ported. Fun speakers.
Change in plans. Have detected a considerable amount of elitist and anti commercial speaker sentiment on a couple of other forums devoted to DIY speaker building. In light of this, I am not entirely certain I trust all of the advice I am getting.
Decided to revisit the Wharfdale 10.1. Found out while they are rear ported, placement with these is easy. They are not that fussy about being up against the rear wall or a few inches away. Many speakers need to be two feet out or more from the rear wall to sound right. Not these.
I may be buying these. Thanks again for the tip. Sonically they are exactly what I am looking for and likely mirror that of the Jamo Concert series. But placement won't be an issue. -
Loud & Clear wrote: »The Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 & 10.2 are in your price range. They portray an excellent midrange and a gentle top end. The Klipsch RB-61 II is also now in your price range. Extremely efficient, dynamic, and front ported. Fun speakers.
Change in plans. Have detected a considerable amount of elitist and anti commercial speaker sentiment on a couple of other forums devoted to DIY speaker building. In light of this, I am not entirely certain I trust all of the advice I am getting.
Decided to revisit the Wharfdale 10.1. Found out while they are rear ported, placement with these is easy. They are not that fussy about being up against the rear wall or a few inches away. Many speakers need to be two feet out or more from the rear wall to sound right. Not these.
I may be buying these. Thanks again for the tip. Sonically they are exactly what I am looking for and likely mirror that of the Jamo Concert series. But placement won't be an issue.
Right on. Despite the rear port they don't seem to boost bass and "boom" at the listener. Really sweet midrange on those. I wouldn't recommend them for a full-time home theater application, but if you're 80% music these are hard to beat for the dollar. Also can be had used here and there if you want to spend a bit less.
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
Loud and Amp Clear. I will look at a DIY kit towards the end of the year. Right now though the Wharfedale brand seems to have a very similar sound to that of the Jamo line.
A Rep from Wharfedale suggests the new 220 because it has a downward firing port. He said it can be an inch or two from the back wall and have a nice sound stage. However, I read from a owner of these (on some other forum) that they need to be 2 feet from the rear wall just like my Jamo speakers. Not many reviews on these because they are new. WhatHifi gives them a big thumbs up.
OTOH. I have read several reviews of the 10.1 where people state the speakers can be perhaps a foot off the back wall and sound fine.
I should mention that I only listen to 2 channel stereo with music. Integrated amp and CD player, Tuner and Cassette deck.
What do you think? At this point I am not even going to consider any other speakers just as long as one of these can sound right either up against the back wall or within a foot of it. -
Whatever. I may not need a front ported or sealed enclosure as recently mentioned. Have done additional reading today and found that even the rear ported 10.1 has been used successfully by people when placed just a few inches from the rear wall. And also found the Denton 80th Anniversary speaker they produce can also work fine if just a few inches from the rear wall.
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DSkip. I don't plan to purchase something until after I file my taxes. If I get a refund I may be able to expand my budget a bit and find a couple hundred more to spend. If I owe, then I will have to stick with the original budget.
Someone else also recommended the Pioneer's. Even Stereophile sings high praises about that speaker. But yes, the boxy sound I will not like and the apparent need to place them quite a distance from the back wall makes them less than ideal for me. Precisely why I am planning to replace the Jamo speakers. While they sound great, they need to be at least 2 feet off the back wall to sound right. I need something that won't take up as much space in my new house. -
Read some reviews of the Usher speaker. Probably a tad bright on the top side which will not work well in that house thanks to the plaster walls and hardwood floors. I think the Wharfedale is the best speaker in the price range that will come close or exceed the quality of the Jamo's. Jamo speakers have a mellow sound and so does Wharfdale's 220 and 10.1. Both appear to be pretty neutral with a touch of warmth in the lower midrange which is very similar to the Jamo speakers I own.
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If you end up bringing up your budget, I've been very happy with my Focal 806Vs.
Forward, but not bright. Tight, fast bass that has been really opening up through the break-in period... -
Upstatemax wrote: »If you end up bringing up your budget, I've been very happy with my Focal 806Vs.
Forward, but not bright. Tight, fast bass that has been really opening up through the break-in period...
Yep. I did seriously consider these. The entry level model while having the sound I want would not work well in the size room I have according to some reviews. But the 806v would definitely do the trick. Will just have to see if I can come up with the extra money, otherwise I will probably buy the Wharfedale Diamond 220.
