Looking for suggestions/advice
cmy330go
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We're getting ready to move into a new (to us) home, and the wife would like to turn one of the rooms into a "music room". Basically it's a medium sized dining room that she would like to turn into a social sitting area to enjoy some tunes. She's expressed interest in having the system be mostly vintage. I've already got a Crown pre-amp, BGW amp, and Marantz turntable that will fit in to get us started, but I'm kinda lost on what to do for speakers. I know very little about vintage speakers, and am not really sure where to start. First of all this setup is not about sitting in the sweet spot. Most listening will be indirect off-axis. I'm most likely looking for a decent sized full-range floor-stander. I browsed briefly through the flea-market and found THESE. I think they would fit the decor, but I'm not sure due to the nature of the RTA line if they would be wasted in that kind of environment. Basically I just need about any guidance I can get.
Let me have it!
Let me have it!
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Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500,
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500,
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Non-critical listening, no sweet-spot? Fits in with "decor"? Easy-to-drive 8-ohm load?
Bose 901s hung from the ceiling or on stands. Assure that the driver surrounds are in good shape, or that you're capable of repairing them. -
Thanks for the reply, but nothing Bose will be entering that house.HT
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500, -
My biased opinion is to highly recommend RTA-12's, especially *those* RTA-12's.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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How about a pair of Monitor 7's or 10's?Speakers: Polk SDA-SRS xovers rebuilt by David, RDO194's, Dynamat, BH5, glued magnets, new cloth, custom aluminum terminal plates with Cardas posts and Speakon interconnect
Speaker Cables, Jumpers & Interconnect: DIY Douglas Connection
Power Amp: Sunfire Architect's Choice Series II
Preamp: Adcom GFP-750
SACD/CD: Oppo BDP-95
Tuner: Sansui TU-717
TT: Technics SL-MA1
Phono Pre: Emotiva XPS-1
Music Server: Mac Mini w/JRiver - iPad w/JRemote
DAC: Eastern Electric MiniMax Plus
Other Polks: SDA: 1A, 1C, 2B, CRS+ / Monitor: 10A, 5jr, 4 / RT5 -
I think the RTA-12c are a great choice. Many think that they are the most musical,of the non-sda Polks. I have owned a pair since buying new in 1984. I also have several pairs of SDA's. These hold their ground very well.Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c -
How big is the room? The 12s are exceptionally good, and Bruce did a superb job on them.Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
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Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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The room is a little better than 12'x16' and has large openings on two sides. One to the entry/staircase. The other to the kitchen/living room.HT
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500, -
Here's a couple pics. System will likely go against the dark colored recessed portion of the wall.
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Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500, -
I guess at this point I'm considering just snagging the RTA this weekend if possible. I'll be in the Chicago area anyway so maybe I'll be able to arrange something. Still open to any suggestions or comments though.HT
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500, -
Those LS50's would be nice, as would as set of Polk RTA 11T or RTA 11TL's... these are my favorite of the non SDA polks that would be considered "vintage"...
Those LS50's look to be in really nice shape though...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
The LS50s do look pretty nice. Might try to get those too. Heck for $200 what have I got to lose.HT
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
Parasound Halo P3, Parasound Halo A21, Sutherland Ph.D, VPI Classic 3 w/ 3D arm & Soundsmith Aida Cartridge, Arcam CD72T, B&W 802 S3, Monster HTS2500, -
The LS50s do look pretty nice. Might try to get those too. Heck for $200 what have I got to lose.
I'd see if there is some wiggle room, dont think they are worth 200, and I'm quite sure you dont care about those little speakers.... so I'd shoot for 150 if you can, 175 would still be decent IMHO, but there are others that know more about the value of these than me....
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
EndersShadow wrote: »The LS50s do look pretty nice. Might try to get those too. Heck for $200 what have I got to lose.
I'd see if there is some wiggle room, dont think they are worth 200, and I'm quite sure you dont care about those little speakers.... so I'd shoot for 150 if you can, 175 would still be decent IMHO, but there are others that know more about the value of these than me....
Thanks for the input!
HT
Mits WD-65737, DirecTV, Oppo DV-970HD, XBOX ONE, Yamaha RX-A1030, Parasound Halo A23, Rotel RB-985, Music Hall MMF-7, Parasound PPH-100, LSi-15, LSi-C, LSi-FX, LSi-7, PSW-1000, Monster HTS2600
2 CH
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A pair of Allison Ones or Allison Twos would be decor friendly and oh-so-enjoyable.
The (original) Allison loudspeakers were designed to fit into real rooms; the aforementioned One and Two are meant to be put up against a wall, away from corners, but otherwise are very noncritical in location (see the brochure scan below).
They're not small -- but they can be unobtrusive (and their footprint is small).
EDIT: might as well include the Two, too.
(PS I do have a pair of Allison Ones, FWIW)
EDIT^2: another amazingly easy to live with speaker (other than not being amenable to placement against a wall) is (was) the DCM timewindow. I like the original series best of all (the timewindows were in production for a long time -- getting increasingly more Byzantine in each iteration IMO).
I am a tad biased: http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/166200/apostasy -
mhardy6647 wrote: »A pair of Allison Ones or Allison Twos would be decor friendly and oh-so-enjoyable.
The (original) Allison loudspeakers were designed to fit into real rooms; the aforementioned One and Two are meant to be put up against a wall, away from corners, but otherwise are very noncritical in location (see the brochure scan below).
They're not small -- but they can be unobtrusive (and their footprint is small).
EDIT: might as well include the Two, too.
(PS I do have a pair of Allison Ones, FWIW)
EDIT^2: another amazingly easy to live with speaker (other than not being amenable to placement against a wall) is (was) the DCM timewindow. I like the original series best of all (they were in production for a long time -- getting increasingly more Byzantine in each iteration IMO).
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/166200/apostasy
Those look pretty cool! Gonna have to do a little research on those.
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2 CH
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They're more common in New England but they were widely distributed. They're very good sounding loudspeakers (IMO, of course). They have one age-related flaw -- the grilles were vacuum-formed ABS or suchlike plastic... at this late date, the grilles are typically quite brittle, but there is a pretty good restoration method:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262849&highlight=Allison
EDIT: PS, now that Joe Grado has passed away, Roy Allison is pretty much the absolute last of the old guard of hifi pioneers left alive. He's not quite "first generation", of course, but he and Henry Kloss both got their start with Edgar Villchur at AR way back when.
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=595723
Stereophile published a pretty nice interview with Allison and Villchur in 2005:
http://www.stereophile.com/interviews/105villchur/
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The LS50s do look pretty nice. Might try to get those too. Heck for $200 what have I got to lose.
I love my LS50's and wouldn't let them go for $200. That being said I've seen them for $100-150...