Neil just dissed vinyl fiends worse than......

gdb

Budweiser dissed micro-brew beer snobs in their SB ad and their sipping pumpkin-peach ale !!! LMAO ! Neil's a tool IMO and his ego is nicely bruised by Pono's failure to catch fire !

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/02/neil-young-blasts-vinyl-resurgence-as-a-fashion-statement/



http://youtu.be/siHU_9ec94c

gudnoyez

Being the huge Neil fan I am the wife also we own it all, but, honestly Neil owes us faithful followers for the turds that he has put out recently. Physcedelic Pill was decent but the few that came out before and after that one have been disapointing.

I Will probably buy the next one he puts out but come on Neil get back to putting out some tunes worthy of calling them your own. I wonder how A Letter Home sounds on that there Pono? I think Neil figures if his name is on it fans will buy it, I guess I'm one of them but no Pono for me.

gudnoyez

http://www.amazon.com/Neil-Young-Vinyl/dp/B002GHHJTK

Here is his Debut recording mastered for vinyl gets good reviews, sounds awesome how ironic, wonder if Neil isn't making enough money on mastered for Vinyl releases, to think I wasted my money on this one, not to mention owning the original vinyl and the remastered CD.

mhardy6647

The current craze is, I am sure, just a passing fancy. Just like kale smoothies.
That said, it may be worth recalling that Mr. Young has a horse in this race -- his very own high-res and oh-so-not-analog format and hardware.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/02/05/neil-young-raises-6-2-million-releases-a-portable-music-player-called-pono-and-my-4-year-old-cant-tell-the-difference/

nooshinjohn

Well I hope Neil Young will remember, a record man don't need him around anyhow...

gudnoyez

The headphone fad has never ended I have owned head phones for as long as I can remember, it wasn't until recentley that I've shelled out cash for decent headphones, a headphone amp, decent IEM's for music on the go, as far as vinyl goes I've been spinning that for a long time never left, the resurgence or so it's called is for people getting back into vinyl and the younger crowd is interested in it because their elders were or still are interested.

ken brydson

Speaking of Neil, thought this was pretty cool. You can love or hate Fallon but he does have some talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6otmy3DAK8

gce

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Well I hope Neil Young will remember, a record man don't need him around anyhow...

I see what you did there.

I'm a huge Neil fan. Throughout the years he's given us some great tunes and he's a great story teller. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong but he can voice whatever he wants. You got remember he's been through it all, music wise. Digital, analog, whatever, he's done it all. He should know about this stuff.

I'm big time into Vinyl because I like the sound. Not because what other people say about it, bad or good...even Neil.

BlueFox

Seems like he is correct in his opinion.

" “It’s a niche and it’s a great niche and it’s a wonderful thing and I hope people continue to enjoy vinyl and it continues to grow, because it’s a good thing,” Young went on to say, before adding the caveat that we live in a “convenience-oriented society and vinyl is not a convenient thing.” "

After the hipsters who are driving the vinyl resurgence trash a few records, break a few cartridges, and then realize the record sounds worse after being played a few times then they will say Fooey on this, and stop buying. Plus they will tell their friends to not waste their time and money.

skrol

Hey, that (Young & Fallon) was excellent. Thanks for posting it.

skrol

Well when the vinyl fad tappers off we can all be on the look out for great deals on some nice TT's and cartridges. I snagged my Pioneer PL-530 in VG condition at a yard sale back in 1991 for $35. Now I see them going for over $300 on ebay.

StevieB

One solution for Neil would be, don't buy new vinyl.

muncybob

So, is the vast majority of new vinyl indeed taken from digital masters?

jeremymarcinko

Yes, but it is not the CD master. It is my understanding that everything on that is on vinyl had to be remastered for it. You can't just put a CD master on vinyl it wouldn't work because of the difference in dynamic range capabilities. In addition, the source music isn't recorded at 16/44.1 CD quality either, what goes on CD is of a lower resolution than the recorded file. Both CD and vinyl masters will be produced separately from the source material to the capabilities and available space of each media. But yes, the vinyl pressed since the late 80's likely came from digital. In addition the cnc type machine that scribes the template to be pressed also works digitally. I have no idea to what resolution though. Still I prefer how vinyl sounds regardless of the science. I've learned if it sounds good to me, I really don't care how or why, just enjoy.

gfong

Here is Neils exact quote...... "And they're only making CD masters in digital, so all the new products that come out on vinyl are actually CDs on vinyl, which is really nothing but a fashion statement."

A lot of the articles are taking his words out of context... he does not say that analog master do not exist. He didn't say vinyl LP were junk or putting down the industry. Take what he says in context of when and what he said!

Msabot1

CD's on vinyl???.........

vc69

He's right. All mastering takes place in digital domain these days, then they cut a vinyl master from that. So...

mhardy6647

Most -- but not all. There's still some analog recording, mixing & mastering being done.

... and there's always this:
http://the78project.com/

(although I guess the product's -- ironically -- only available in the digital domain)

... and then again there's always...

http://tapeproject.com/

gce

That's why you get high res files (FLAC) of new stuff and old (60's 70's) Vinyl remastered from the original tapes. They're doing a great job on some of the old recordings and you can't beat them on Vinyl. Even Neil remastered his old albums from the original tapes on Vinyl and they sound great!

Neil is talking about the new stuff on Vinyl that we're getting ripped off on.

txcoastal1

i look at the "glass 1/2 full" vs "1/2 empty" at least the ear bud heads are considering other formats other than MP3 and maybe the producers will produce better recordings

vc69

Sure, there are the rare exceptions. There are a handful of studios out there doing the analog thing, but the ones I know of, still master in the digital domain. Very small niche labels may do differently. There is absolutely nothing wrong with good digital mastering. What we hate about it (compressed dynamics, crunchy sound, etc.) is not the fault of the digital mastering process per se, it's the fault of labels and producers wanting their product to be "loud".

vc69

gce wrote: »

Neil is talking about the new stuff on Vinyl that we're getting ripped off on.

I agree with Neil on that. It's a crapshoot with the old stuff remastered and printed on 180g vinyl. Some sound fantastic, most not so much.

gce

vc69 wrote: »

I agree with Neil on that. It's a crapshoot with the old stuff remastered and printed on 180g vinyl. Some sound fantastic, most not so much.

Agree, You gotta look at how its remastered and also whos doing the pressing.

mhardy6647

... or even better, actually give a listen (ideally to someone else's copy!) before plunking down the shekels for a record, no matter how much great press it has received.

vc69

The frustrating thing about vinyl, two different copies of the same record, from the same production run, can sound very different. It's just the nature of the process of pressing vinyl.

mhardy6647

actually -- at least historically -- the sound quality of any given purchased record depends mostly on the age of the stamper; i.e., how many discs have been squirted out from it. When they're fresh and clean, the quality will be very high -- over time, the quality of the pressing will deteriorate.

I think that the stampers for big hit records were often used to press more copies than they really should have been.

cnh

PONO. Not a bad idea, but hey, the public thinks a **** pair of earbuds and an ipod or iphone is good enough. Until they hear something "better"; all Hi-res formats will be nothing more than boutique fair for them! All the worse for the "young ears"!

Of course Neil is not the only guy around touting Hi-res. Even Sony is back in that game with a number of portables and new line of H-phones.

But even those ancients, like myself, who can't hear much over 15 Khz can still tell the difference between low res and hi res!

And the vinyl jockeys will continue to tout vinyl till their last breath regardless of how GOOD Hi-res gets, IS! Old habits die hard! I have three tables" in the fold and I weary of using them-all the hassle of unsleeeving, cleaning and preparing vinyl. Don't we have ENOUGH to do in this mad ever changing world? i honestly find playing vinyl a "burden"-have to psych myself out to do it!

gdb

Fair ???

cnh

gdb wrote: »

Fair ???

Fare! Typos and a touch of dyslexia do wonders to an unedited text. Poets get awards for such mistakes. And mere mortals get to stand in the corner, condemned by a mediocre English teacher who really can't write but is a wonderful "grammarian" even though the English language is "constantly" changing and has a history. lol

I stand corrected! And will correct myself! Maybe not, as my TIME is UP! lol

I wonder how Ginsberg fared! See what I did there?

No, in all honesty, you are right. But I write 10s of thousands of words a day for a living, don't have the time to constantly edit everything. Thanks for the heads up!

SCompRacer

The fashion statement has led to larger and even more record shops popping up. Higher prices and increased competition finding records. Perhaps to some it is a fad. Those of us who grew up with and STILL appreciate vinyl, it's just another day to ignore what some self proclaimed experts say and spin our vinyl.

cnh

More power to you. All I'm saying is that I'm a lazy axx when it comes to vinyl; NOT that it's not worth spinning. I do believe that analog formats have an edge to resolution and detail but as you move to Hi-Res that advantage becomes less and less noticeable.

Not throwing out my vinyl any time soon!