help with RTI 150 AND PIONEER D509S

bullwinkle1968

I AM CONFUSED A TO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MY SYSTEM. UP UNTILL NOW . I JUST BOUGHT THESE RTI 150'S YESTERDAY AND FOR SOME REASON MY RECIEVER OVERLOADS AND GOES INTO PROTECTION MODE EVERYTIME I TURN IT UP PAST LIKE PAST 45 OR 50( WITH MY RECIEVER THE LOWER THE NUMBER THE HIGHER THE VOLUME. THESE SPEAKERS ARE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE UP TO 500 WATTS AND MY RECIEVER ONLY PUTS OUT 100 PER CHANNEL MAYBE 125 PER CHANNEL. I HAVE SOME OLDER SPEAKERS THAT WERE POLK AND ALSO SOME WEIRD NAME SPEAKERS AND WITH THEM WHETHER I USE SPEAKER A SIDE OR B SIDE OR BOTH I TURN IT UP TO 25DB OR 30 DB BEFORE IT WOULD GO EITHER INTO PROTECTIVE OVERLOAD MODE OR I START HEARING POPPING IN THE SPEAKERS. I BOUGHT THE NES SPEAKERS CASUE I THOGUHT IT WAS THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE GOING BAD BUT NOW I AM CONCERNED THAT MAYBE ALL ALONG THE RECIEVER WAS ACTAULLY BAD. BUT SEE I CAN'T REALLY SEE HOW MY RECIEVER COULD BE GOING BAD WHEN IT IS ONLY 3 YEARS OLD AND DOES NOT GET USED ALL THAT MUCH. WHEN I DO PLAY MY STEREO OR HOME THEATER I DO PLAY FAIRLY LOUD NOTDOWN TO 25 OR 30 BUT AROUND 40DB MAYBE 35DB BUT NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER SPEAKERS.

PLEASE IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ANY SUGGESTIONS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

YOU MAY E-MAIL ME AT
BULLWINKLE1968@COMCAST.NET

IF YOU HAVE AY SUGGESTIONS OR ANSWERS TO MY PROBLEM.

THANK YOU

Frank Z

Welcome to the forum, please turn off the caps lock...all caps is annoying and is considered "Yelling".

Your problem is not unusual, there have been a number of posts regarding receivers shutting down when driving the 150's. Those speakers are huge and require a massive amount of power. Your receiver is not capable of providing enough "umph" (aka- watts)

You might want to consider adding a seperate 2 channel amp to power the 150's. Replacing the 150's with a smaller speaker that doesn't require as much wattage is another option, as is replacing your existing receiver and going with seperates.

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Frank Z
Welcome to the forum, please turn off the caps lock...all caps is annoying and is considered "Yelling".

Your problem is not unusual, there have been a number of posts regarding receivers shutting down when driving the 150's. Those speakers are huge and require a massive amount of power. Your receiver is not capable of providing enough "umph" (aka- watts)

You might want to consider adding a seperate 2 channel amp to power the 150's. Replacing the 150's with a smaller speaker that doesn't require as much wattage is another option, as is replacing your existing receiver and going with seperates.

if i were to go and buy a addittional amp or a newer receiver what wattage would or lets say brand reciever would you say to go with. the wa i have all my wires pluged in it is all digital so with the amps that i have seen it does not have the wireing diagram needed to make that work, also i do have a polk psw 350 that i could biamp but do not understand how to do it could i fix this problem if i by amp and if so how do i do biamping.

Frank Z

Polk states that the recommended amplification be 50-500watts. I have no idea why they start at 50, it makes no sense to me. It sounds like you do not have the required connections on your receiver to connect a seperate amp. inorder to proerly drive those beasts your going to have to do some serious upgrading, and I'd have to say that a new receiver isn't going to cut it.

The first thing you're going to have to do is establish a budget. There are so many possiblities that it's hard to suggest any without knowing what you are willing to spend. You could get into an Outlaw set up for a decent price (www.Outlaw.com). Adcom is another entry level idea.

Tell us a bit more about your room, what type of surrounds you have (if any), budget, available space in your rack, etc.

Would you consider used gear? There are a lot people here that upgrade on a fairly regular basis so there's enough "old" gear to be had for a decent price.

bullwinkle1968

I have no idea why polk would rate and put polk speakers out on the market that does not meet their manufactured specifications.

the reason why my new rti 150's do not work it becasue it cannot handle 4ohm speakers and the manufacturer(polk) says these speakers ae rated for 8 ohm so this has left me in unfamilar territory. i hope some one out there can give me some solutions as to why my speakers both frount and left channel and even my center channel are rated at 4 ohms actually they all read between 4.5 and 4.6 and 4.7 ohms they should read atleast 7 ohms no less. so if some one out there can please give me some kind of explanation as to why these speakers are rated 8hm but in actuallity they are 4 ohm and what can be doen about it. :mad:

well from wht i hav read and what pioneer and ken swagger has told me my 16 gauge wire is fine even though i asked about going to a 14 gauge or 12 gauge. and inregards to proper ventilation i have ver good proper ventilation their is a 12 inches of room on top and 6-8 inches on the side and not onl that but i even opened up the cabinet in back and placed a fan back their to send some fairly cool air circulating and it still does it.

i have read what o tld me to read but it is all jibberjabber to me i have trid everything i have been told to do and it still overloads.

somethng is wrong with these speakers it has to be that the only explanation that several techs i have talked to have come up with even 2 techs that are authorised repair threw polk.

Frank Z

Originally posted by bullwinkle1968
so if some one out there can please give me some kind of explanation as to why these speakers are rated 8hm but in actuallity they are 4 ohm and what can be doen about it. :mad:

Hold on there big fella! Click on the link below and read it start to finish. I think you'll get some info you can use. After your done, report back here...There'll be a quiz!;)

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15854

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Frank Z
Hold on there big fella! Click on the link below and read it start to finish. I think you'll get some info you can use. After your done, report back here...There'll be a quiz!;)

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15854

well from wht i hav read and what pioneer and ken swagger has told me my 16 gauge wire is fine even though i asked about going to a 14 gauge or 12 gauge. and inregards to proper ventilation i have ver good proper ventilation their is a 12 inches of room on top and 6-8 inches on the side and not onl that but i even opened up the cabinet in back and placed a fan back their to send some fairly cool air circulating and it still does it.

i have read what o tld me to read but it is all jibberjabber to me i have trid everything i have been told to do and it still overloads.

somethng is wrong with these speakers it has to be that the only explanation that several techs i have talked to have come up with even 2 techs that are authorised repair threw polk.


Last edited by bullwinkle1968 on 02-29-2004 at 05:57 PM

Frank Z

You'll do a helluva lot more damage to a pair of speakers by underpowering them than you will by overpowering them. Look at it this way, your speakers will handle up to 500watts of amplification, that's a huge amount of power, infact it's enough to blow your eardrums out of your noggin! Trying to run the 150's with a "small" receiver is going to do a number of things, first and foremost it's going to lead to the receiver shutting down. Secondly it's going to leave you feeling like there's something wrong with the speakers when there really isn't. A larger speaker wire is not going to solve the problems you are having. The techs that you have been talking to are just plain wrong. Do a search for rt150's on this forum and you'll see that there are a lot of people that have run into the exact same problem that you are having. Beg, Borrow, or Steal a big-assed amp, hook it up and see how well your speakers sound.

YOUR SPEAKERS NEED MORE POWER!!! (Sorry for yelling;) )

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Frank Z
You'll do a helluva lot more damage to a pair of speakers by underpowering them than you will by overpowering them. Look at it this way, your speakers will handle up to 500watts of amplification, that's a huge amount of power, infact it's enough to blow your eardrums out of your noggin! Trying to run the 150's with a "small" receiver is going to do a number of things, first and foremost it's going to lead to the receiver shutting down. Secondly it's going to leave you feeling like there's something wrong with the speakers when there really isn't. A larger speaker wire is not going to solve the problems you are having. The techs that you have been talking to are just plain wrong. Do a search for rt150's on this forum and you'll see that there are a lot of people that have run into the exact same problem that you are having. Beg, Borrow, or Steal a big-assed amp, hook it up and see how well your speakers sound.

YOUR SPEAKERS NEED MORE POWER!!! (Sorry for yelling;) )

no problem

there is only one thing wrong my reciever will not hook up to an extra amp and even if i could somehow which there is no place on the back for it how much wold you say i need to power these the right way. and where would i find one that will work. i have tried everywhere on the net and canot find one place that sells amps lke the way i wold need to hook it up which i do believe i need to have incomng ad outgoing bindng posts for more power that is the ony way i can think of.

now let me ak you this it has been suggested that i buy an 4ohm 100 watt resistor and put it inline on the red side to sercomvent the problem i am having what do you think of that.

Frank Z

I really would not recommend trying to add a resistor, it's a band-aid that won't stick. Since your receiver doesnot have preouts for a seperate amp I would have to say a major upgrade is in order.Probably not what you wanted to hear, but that's the best I can do for ya.

You can find some really good deals on used equipment here, or on ebay. The folks on this forum will do right by you when it comes to buying equipment and speakers. We're a fairly close knit group that tries to help each other out whenever possible. Check out the Flea Market section for some ideas.

Again I'd have to recommend Outlaw equipment if your in the market for seperates at a great price. Check 'em out, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/950.html

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/755.html

Buy 'em and try 'em for 30 days. If you aren't happy with 'em, you send them back...no questions asked for a 100% refund. Dollar for Dollar it's the best option out there for someone getting into new seperates.

VR3

Adcom GFA-555, 300-400+shipping

has 200 watts

Id recomend that and the Outlaw preamp mentioned above...

3 of them Adcoms is cheaper than that Outlaw amp, but the outlaw amp takes up less space...

Airplay355

www.accessories4less.com you can look for deals here. i bought a marantz sr7200 receiver from them and the transaction was great. i also ran rti150's with my receiver and they sounded fine, i did manage to shut it down a few times but that was at -5 db, so who listens that loud neway lol.

nothing is wong with your speakers, you just need more power. your receiver isnt broken, it just isnt good enough to run those speakers. its like trying to drive a ferrari with a lawn mower engine, not enough power.

now im not saying rti150s are the ferrari of the speaker world but u get the picture. just saying this for the ppl out there lookin to start sumthin lol

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Airplay355
www.accessories4less.com you can look for deals here. i bought a marantz sr7200 receiver from them and the transaction was great. i also ran rti150's with my receiver and they sounded fine, i did manage to shut it down a few times but that was at -5 db, so who listens that loud neway lol.

nothing is wong with your speakers, you just need more power. your receiver isnt broken, it just isnt good enough to run those speakers. its like trying to drive a ferrari with a lawn mower engine, not enough power.

now im not saying rti150s are the ferrari of the speaker world but u get the picture. just saying this for the ppl out there lookin to start sumthin lol

thanks for the Info. i reserched your receiver and unless you have a seperate amp hooked up to it for more power yours if the same wattage or 10 watts more than mine so i do not understand how yours works and mine doesn't. i have gone threw everyting with m pioneer with their tech support and with polk and everyone says more power more power more power i feel these guys are just power munchers and like to blow the windows out of their home and their neighbors i on the other hand am not like that i lke mine loud but not deafening loud some of these people telling me to go hee or go their and i am not saying you personanlly just everone that i have talked to to go here and to go there i feel they work their and are just trying to get me to buy something that i do not need. i may be illiterate when it comes to audiophileing but i am not stupid either. i just need to find someone that is honest and trustworthy.

thank you for you comment i will take it into consideration when the time comes.

thank you again
sincerly

jackorama

RVJII

Originally posted by bullwinkle1968
i reserched your receiver and unless you have a seperate amp hooked up to it for more power yours if the same wattage or 10 watts more than mine so i do not understand how yours works and mine doesn't.

i feel they work their and are just trying to get me to buy something that i do not need. i may be illiterate when it comes to audiophileing but i am not stupid either. i just need to find someone that is honest and trustworthy.

A few comments:

1. All watts are not created equal and many manufacturers play games with their specs in order to inflate them. (Not to mention that many receivers are not high current.) In fact if you look under on the main Polk page under FAQ there is a section that talks about it. (As Polk does not make amps they have no incentive to lie.)

2. None of the people here have anything to gain by giving you poor information or trying to get you to buy new gear. You may not agree with all the opinions but that does not mean that there is a consipiracy.

3. This forum is what you make of it. Their are a lot of guys here who are EXTREMELY knowledgable and are willing to give anyone who asks the benefit of their expertise and experience because they enjoy the hobby. Don't insult them by implying that they are dishonest or have an ulterior motive.

Bottom Line: Your receiver does not have enough power to run those 150's. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

Tour2ma

Could just take back the 150's... yes?

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Tour2ma
Could just take back the 150's... yes?

number one these speakers were half price at crutchfield instead of $1499 i only paid 799.99. they are returnable but ince these speakers are so big and heavy it would cost me around 100 to 125 dollars to return them and i will not spend that much money to ship something when i was going by polk specs and poneer specs that these speakers will work great and then i find out that after i bought them everyone exagerates just to make an all mighty buck.

2. i am going to write my congressman to try to get a law passed to make manufacturers be upfront and completely honest with everything they sell wheather it be speakers or recievers or seperates as far as i am concerened i was very mislead everyone i have talked to cannot make up their mind and give me a straight answer everyone passes the buck onto someone else.

3. it is not crutchfield fault that polk did not disclose all relevent info on these speakers and then again it is crutchfield fault to not allow free return if thier was a misleading statement. i knew in my gut i should have stayed with bose they are the best and they are all completely usa made and they are honest.

I do not believe i will buy from polk again do to the run around and catch 22 situation and red tape.

sorry if none of you are happy with my comments but i am not bill gates or in the forb top 500 richest people like all of you out here that can go and spend anywhere from $1500 to $4500 for a reciever that can run these speakers properly. as far as i am concerned polk should have made it well annouced that a regular or cheap or fairly decent recievers will not run these speakers that if you do buy these they should have put a beaware that these speakers need high current or full bandwidth or what ever i need to make these speakers run properly. i believe that if you want to be a good company and an honest company that you should do what ever you can to make your consumers aware that special cercumstances are need to be met to power certain products.

now i know this is off topic but i just want to give everyone here an example.

my wife and i bought a brand new manufactured home in the same community that we have lived in for 15 years the home is a double wide with a patio door and i fel it shold have been up to the park management to inform us that the lot the house was on a deck cold not be built becasue of an oil line rightaway but as soon as i signed over my old moble home and moved in and two months later when i am ready to uild my deck i am told i cannot build it with out getting permission from sunoco oil well it took research and a whole year but i finally got permission to build the deck but only as long as i built it from my front door to the frount of my home instead of being able to build it from my patio door and forward. if this info wold have been discussed i would not have bought the home or at the least had the patio door removed and windows put in instead. so know i do have a deck but i also have a home with a patio door that i canot use do to right away restrictions. just like i said anyway anythng to make a buck that is the only thing companies have on their mind so they can be rich and have a 25 million or so salary.

disabled people or first time buyers are the ones that are always given the shaft.

PolkWannabie

OMG ...

I think you should go back and reread YOUR first post in this thread ... wasn't it obvious BEFORE you bought these that your receiver was having a problem given that it couldn't properly power two other sets of speakers ?

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by PolkWannabie
OMG ...

I think you should go back and reread YOUR first post in this thread ... wasn't it obvious BEFORE you bought these that your receiver was having a problem given that it couldn't properly power two other sets of speakers ?

do you know how to read. if not maybe you should go back to school before you put your 2 cents in worth.

I said i never had this problem with the other speakers. and regardless of what i said or didn't say if the maker of the speaker says it is an 8 ohm speaker then it whold handle 8 ohms nothing is stated anywhere with polk on these or any other speaker they make that says you may or do need i high current reciever. it is the makers responsibility to make the consumer aware. not the other way around.

how would you like to buy a nice house in the middle of a swamp i guarantee you will not have nay leaks or sinking of your property in the swampland or lousiana.


dah dah dah dah dah dah dah

PolkWannabie

Gee whiz ... I thought this is what you said ...

Originally posted by bullwinkle1968
I HAVE SOME OLDER SPEAKERS THAT WERE POLK AND ALSO SOME WEIRD NAME SPEAKERS AND WITH THEM WHETHER I USE SPEAKER A SIDE OR B SIDE OR BOTH I TURN IT UP TO 25DB OR 30 DB BEFORE IT WOULD GO EITHER INTO PROTECTIVE OVERLOAD MODE OR I START HEARING POPPING IN THE SPEAKERS.

I BOUGHT THE NES SPEAKERS CASUE I THOGUHT IT WAS THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE GOING BAD BUT NOW I AM CONCERNED THAT MAYBE ALL ALONG THE RECIEVER WAS ACTAULLY BAD.

So you could turn it up a little louder with the speakers you had before ...

WTF is your point ... your receiver was dying so you gave it a speaker that could handle more ? Makes perfect sense to me.

Tour2ma

Could be our 1st HOS thread of the 2004, folks...

B-1968,

I'm sorry for your predicament and understand your frustration. If you said they were mail order in an earlier post, I missed it.

At tihis point I think your best bet is to sell the 150's. Assuming you still have all the boxes and packing, you might be able to get what you paid for them.

Good Luck...

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by PolkWannabie
Gee whiz ... I thought this is what you said ...



So you could turn it up a little louder with the speakers you had before ...

WTF is your point ... your receiver was dying so you gave it a speaker that could handle more ? Makes perfect sense to me.

1 My reciever is not dying it works just fine i had it checked out about 1 month ago and teri is nothing wrong with it costed me 125.00 for that.

2. the reason i thought it was the reciever was because i new the older polk speakers i kept on channel b and the weird name one which are very nice lookin at least i thought were on channel A. and those speakers were only a year old but my older polk ones were the old bass reflex speakers a little bigger then bookshelf type. the older polk ones are about 8 years old and are still playing great just with the age of them i didn't want them on the high current side and take a chance to blow them up.

3. the weird ones were given to me by my brother after i bartered with him for them they are called and i kow your all going to laugh but i am glad i didn't lose much only my circular saw that i never use anyway. they are called digital pro audio made by innovative sound systems and after several attempts of trying to find this company i finally came across a forum where several people were scamed and duped to buying them cause they are the worst speaker in the world from what i understand some guy and a few other people made these speakers and made them look great like the outside of a polk speaker but the inside is nothing but crapola componets so i thought those speakers after finding out how they were made and sold out of the back of trucks from street venders i figured it was the speakers causeing the problem and thi was aftr i just spent 125.00 on having my reciever looked at.

4. regardless of wheather i am an **** or considered the first hostile thread of 2004 one thing that really pisses me off is manufacturerers that over state what their product can and will do. you guys say i need high current, polk states i need a reciever that can handle 4 ohms everybody else says i need both high current and a reciever that can handle 4 ohms.

5. so to conclude my hostile thread( supposedly) why would everybody give different answers and why would polk advertise that these speakers handle 8 ohms and match the exact criteria that my reciever says it can handle in every way when in fact polk misrepresented themselves just to sell a big mistake they made and are tring to cover it up why else would crutchfield buy out their entire inventory off 1200 units and dicount them to half the price of m.s.r.p.

6 come on people like i said i am not an audio wizard but it doesn't take much IQ power to realize that polk screwed up. if you look back at previous posts their was a guy that stated it was weird that polk advertised that these speakers were 8 ohm speakers and thought it was weird that you needed atleast 50 watts up to 500 watts to power them.

7 and last but not least before anyone responds to this post sit back and really and i mean really think about this for like a couple hours or days or weeks depending on how well your brain functions and look at the whole picture here. it is the manufacturer responsibility to inform thier customers the correct info on their products i can only go by what they are willing to release and let the public at large think and believe and if they are hiding something then it should be let out to all. maybe you all have had good rti 150's and maybe i got a **** pair i do not know but before my 30 days are up with crutch field if they do not run out of stock by then i will have the exchanged. the one polk specialist told me that i needed to break them in at least 40 hours of playing time before they would be considered broke in.
i just know i will not go out and spend 1500 to 4000 dollars on a reciever just because you all did just so you can go around to all your frind and say hey lok what i can afford i bought the best reciever on the market to power these bad boys and you really didn't have to. well unles you like to show off and let others know your business then i guess when and if you get home invaded and robbed and the thieves take your high priced stereo equipment they can have the last laugh becasue you all are annoucing hey i am the big man here on this street i can blow out my neighbors windows 10 houses down with all my seperates.

Frank Z

bullwinkle1968,
I gotta admit I'm really confused. I understand your frustration with the problems you are having, but I really don't understand why your anger is directed at anyone here, or even at Polk Audio for that matter. I can certainly understand wanting your speakers to perform as advertised and for your receiver to function properly, but as I and others have explained, or at least tried to explain, your speakers are not the problem. When it comes down to it, your receiver is just not capable of suppling adequate output (wattage) for the speakers that you own. All receivers are not created equal, if they were...well that would be rather boring, we'd all own the exact same thing.

As far as the speakers are concerned, I hope that the thread that I linked to earlier clarafied the impedance issue. There are no speakers on the market (that I'm aware of at least) that have anything other than a NOMINAL ohm rating. Nominal means average, as the impedance value will vary with the signal being reproduced. Your speakers have an impedance of 8ohms!!!!! You can't just slap an ohm meter on the terminals and take a direct reading, it's a heck of a lot more complicated than that.

Have you actually tried a high power/current receiver yet? How about a seperate amp? If the answer is no then it would appear that you are not open to any sort of help that anyone here has to offer.

I'm sorry if you feel that you got screwed, or that Polk misrepresented their product in some way, but neither of these is the case.

For the last time, there's nothing wrong with your 8 ohm nominal speakers, and there may not be anything wrong with your receiver either. You simply need more power!

I'm done with this thread, do as you please, and good luck with your gear.

bullwinkle1968

OK

Frank Z

I've read your responses and have tried to stay calm but it is obvious that you have a major chip on your shoulder. As for your comments regarding your perceptions of the members here, well let's just say you couldn't be more wrong. There are a number of people that have busted their **** in order to afford each and every piece of equipment that they own. The vast majority of the members here have taken the time to research the equipment that they are interested in BEFORE making any purchases. The members of this forum will go out of their way to help anyone, yes even you! You're failure to learn before whipping out your checkbook is no one's fault but your own. Would you make your decisions the same way if you were buying a car, a boat, a motorcycle? I certainly hope not!

You haven't been around here long enough to make the lousy generalizations that you've made. You owe a lot of people an apology!

No one forced me or anyone else to answer your questions, this forum is strictly voluntary, and you have shown that you are a person that is somewhat lacking in the maturity department. The information you received wasn't that complicated, but it didn't satisfy you....so everyone else is too good, has too much money, and can't figure out how to hook up their own equipment. Sounds damn childish to me.

If you really want to keep your speakers then you need to do the following;

1) Get off your **** and learn! You stated that you don't understand some of the terms that you have read...TOUGH ****!! There's not one person alive that was born with the ultimate Audio Visual knowledge. We all had to start at the beginning and make the effort to understand the basic principals in order to make informed decisions. We'll help as much as possible and not ask for a damn thing in return, except for the occasional "Thanks for the info!" Your speakers don't "handle 8 ohms," they are an 8 ohm speaker. An Ohm is a resistance value, the resistance to the flow of current. You receiver is probably rated to handle an 8 ohm speaker, but it obviously cannot keep up with the demands of a very large speaker. In all of your ranting and raving you have failed to provide the name and model number of your equipment! Hell your not even sure what the output is! Kinda like walking into a doctor and saying "I hurt!" and nothing else. You sure as hell ain't gonna get cured that way!

2) Get off your **** and find a decent A/V retailer that will let you "borrow" a demo unit(s). You don't live in the freakin' Arctic but YOU may have to drive for an hour or two in order to find a good place to do business. Even if you have to put down a refundable deposit or provide a credit card number, you'll be much better off demo-ing gear in your home with your music, and your speakers.

If you are interested in learning you can start
here, and here too.

Drewsmith

AMEN TO THAT!!

I am a long time reader short time poster.

A good portion of this forum only has the best intentions and are trying to help.

I am somewhat new here in the posting department so I have no real right to comment on this thread.

As for Frank he helped me sell my first item on the forum, and seems to be a top notch guy.

You just seem to be ignoring anyones suggestions :mad:

ti97

Hi Bullwinkle,
I'll reiterate what people have been saying, that receiver wattage are usually over inflated to make them look better than what they truely are. Well here is some hard numbers and hopefully you'll understand what everbody in this forum has been trying to tell you after you take a look at them:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/pdf/Equipment/1211equiprep_receivers_lab.pdf

Officially, that Sony receiver is rated at 100Wx6; the Pioneer at 110Wx6; and the Denon at a more modest 90Wx6. Now none of these receivers lived up to their power rating, some worst than others. And this is because some manufacturers may choose to test their receiver's power with one channel driven and call the whole thing 100Wx6. And there's no FTC guideline on how to rate receivers' power, so the manufacturers can choose to report however makes their product look better. Some manufactuers are actually honest with their rating, and one example I can think of is Harman Kardon. And that's why their stuff usually cost more, watt for watt on paper.

Now you see why the Denon, although rated at a lower power than that Pioneer, might sell for 2x-3x its price? You can't just go by the numbers given by these manufacturers. You either need a third party to objectively test the equipment, or the best thing is to try/demo/listen to the piece of equipment yourself. I too am an owner of a pair of RTi150. They are very good speakers, and I'm extremely happy with them. I am in a more fortunate position to have an adequate receiver. I wish you luck with your situation and just know that everyone in this forum is just trying to help you.

Frank Z

ti97,
Goodinfo except....
The FTC does in fact mandate testing and verification of the rated output of Home Audio Equipment. Click here and scroll down about a third of the way down and you'll find some info that I cut and pasted from the FTC website.

disneyjoe7

Why do people think that speakers that where $1400-$1500 when first made are designed to work with a $250-$500 receiver?

That's like this too me, I go out buy a $40k boat and $5-6k trailer for this BIG **** BOAT and I expect this to be pulled by a civic?

I agree this RTi150's are hard to drive, owner these I don't think any receiver will drive these correctly. So I'm I pissed NO, I'm getting what I thought I would PERIOD

Frank Z

Dead thread folks. The guy that started this thread has already stated that he doesn't care much for the people here, or our advice.

bullwinkle1968

Originally posted by Frank Z
Dead thread folks. The guy that started this thread has already stated that he doesn't care much for the people here, or our advice.

I appreciate your comments frank for talking for me. you have no idea how i feel so keep your mouth out of my comments.

It is not that i do not care for all your guys or ladies comments it is that all of yo here so far are talking dribble to me and not only that your talking audiophile lingo and it is confusing.

just becasue speakers costed 1400 to 1500 dollars doesn't mean it worth that. polk inflates their prices more so than the reciever manufactures of the recivers to make them look better than they actually are. if these speakers are so great then why at this price were they not made out of real wood or at least nailed or screwed together and made out of something other that presswood and then overlaid with real wood venneir. also if these speakers are really worth the money that polk says they are then why such a big discount threw crutchfield. if these are such great speakers then 1500 dollars speakers i would not have gotten for half the price.

as you all have stated in previus posts the manufacturers over rate and over price their products. i took a look at the inside of these speakers and their is glue from like a hot glue gun all over the place the onl screws or nails i cold see were built into the floor part of the speakes and where the speakers are screwed into the speaker box.

allot of you are more than likely right in everything you stated but when i look at this from this stand point i see polk over speaking what they think these speakers are worth if i could buy these speakers from cruthfield for only 799.99 then i guarantee you they only bought thse from polk for about 200 or 300 per pair.

too much over inflation too much **** and diffently over consuming the consumer with a bunch of crap making them believe they have great products. the reason why you pay so much for polk speakers is for a couple things the 5 year warrenty if you ever need it and their shipping costs to return it to you. regardless of how you look at it it is just a way to over inflate and **** the customer in believeing hey have the best product or one of the best products on the market and all this also goes for manufacturers for recievers and all audio equipment.

all in all lke the guy said about buy a boat for 40 k or what ever

if i go into a car dealership and spend 60 k on a brand new lincoln navigator ign the papers and paid cash for it pull out of the dealership and come back to the same dealership one hour later or even 1 day later the price of trading it in or just going to another dealership drops to half of what i just paid cash for it.

over inflation just to make a buck is all it is.

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